Posted on 07/19/2014 12:28:43 PM PDT by free_life
The families of some of the 10 British victims of flight MH17 angrily accused “Russian gangsters” of killing their loved ones in an “act of war”, as evidence mounted that a missile supplied by Moscow brought down the Malaysia Airlines flight.
Grieving relations also demanded that the airline and the aviation authorities explain why the Boeing 777, with 298 people on board, was allowed to fly over a war zone where three military aircraft had been shot down in the previous four days.
Among the Britons killed in Thursday’s disaster in Ukraine were two undergraduates on their way to Australia, two Newcastle United fans travelling to watch the team play in New Zealand, a United Nations worker and a former RAF technician.
Ukraine said 80 children died, including three babies, together with around 100 experts in HIV/Aids who were on their way to a conference in Melbourne.
President Barack Obama said yesterday that he was certain that MH17 had been shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
That’s a theory and plausible. However, If Putin is shrewd enough to do that he would also see the risk/reward of such an intentional stunt.
I’m not trying to prove Putin is a good guy. He’s not. That doesn’t prove he willfully ordered a hit on a civilian plane as you allege.
However the “spinners” are doing a good job making it look like he did.
Money will flow toward the Muslim side in boat loads and this was the intent. Lack of common sense covers about 80% of the coverage being spouted 24/7.
You are correct in every word of that post, we need more who see through this Ruskie smoke and mirrors.
Glad someone sees it as I do. Vladimir Putin is the penultimate product of the system that trained him and the system he once served. He was raised in an atheistic society that in it’s own pre-Communist days was hard, ruthless, harsh and unforgiving. And when it came to politics and those seeking power one misstep, a spurious accusation, a trust betrayed or bad alliance would get one killed outright or thrown in a hole and forgotten about.And as bad as Ivan The Terrible was he was a piker compared to the millions of Russians Stalin killed. The Russian political system, past and present didn’t and doesn’t do ‘’touchy feely lets have a group hug’’ stuff. Consider that in America we use special interest groups and lobbyists to advance a politicians agenda or influence legislation. In Russia members of the Duma, the Russian parliament, have their own ‘’sports clubs’’. The sport they engage in is beating up the other guys sport club.
Really!!!
Has international commercial air traffic over Ukraine linking Europe and the Far East now been rerouted???
I rest my case.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but take a good hard look at who and what Putin is. And then look over the long and bloody history of Russia and of those who would be czar or party chairman .When any Russian wants to be that power the ends do justify the means. What’s a few hundred dead or thousands or for that matter millions? Human life isn’t cheap in Russia, it’s worthless. Sometime ago Putin lamented the end of communism and spoke of wanting to be that kind of country again and that means taking back the Ukraine.
Both Pentagon and Junta admitted rebels do not have operational SAM able to shoot down airliners at 33000ft.
I know, hard question for Saturday afternoon.
especially when you have spent all morning looting the MH17 crash site.
The trouble in finding the truth of anything Russian is it’s difficult to pierce the xenophobic Russian mind set. No Russian will believe what he reads or hears or even sees. He’ll only believe what another Russian tells him. Think of that little Russian doll, I believe it’s called a ‘’kuchina’’. One big one on the outside and as you lift that one in descending order they get smaller and smaller until you’re right back to where you started.
The evidence sure points to Putin and Russian command of this downing of the passenger jet.
Others have already given very plausible reasons for Putin ordering this or at least being ruthless enough to let these thugs do it. I will give some more possibiliites.
It was a set up to blame on the Ukrainians that went bad. Typical Russian operation. Remember the quickly announced Russian claims the Ukrainians tried to down Putin’s plane and hit passenger jet instead. That didn’t fly because of the pics and reports of the rebels having a BUK unit, and the recorded claims of the rebels that they shot down this plane. The rebels bragged about it when they thought it was a Ukraine transport plane and then quickly deleted those claims when they found out it was a passenger jet. Ukraine intel released recorded audio of rebels reporting shoot down to GRU superior right after jet was brought down.
Another scenario, Putin is about to mount a larger invasion and wants all aircraft out of area of invasion. Put nothing past Putin he is as evil as the devil himself.
Right now the evidence points to a BUK coming across Russian border to area controlled by rebels and being manned by Russian military. Three Ukraine transport planes have been shot down in this area in the four days prior to MH-17 being shot down in same area. The reports are this BUK unit with it’s Russian military personnel are back across the border, why if the rebels controlled it, wouldn’t it still be in rebel controlled area of Ukraine? Because of the Russian military personnel and command and control of this BUK unit. Putin can deflect rebels doing it with a wimp in the WH and the European wimps but not if it is proven to have been Russian military who shot down this passenger jet killing 295 civilians.
Finally why would the Ukrainians shoot down anything? They want the world’s help not to make enemies with the west. The rebels have no aircraft. Also remember how close this is to Russian border this area is controlled by the rebels and it has already been proven that the missile was fired in the rebel area.
I am betting this was a Russian false flag operation to pin a downing of a civilian aircraft with lots of dead civilians on Ukraine, that blew up in Russia’s / Putin’s face.
Both Pentagon and Junta admitted rebels do not have operational SAM able to shoot down airliners at 33000ft. Evidence and source for this? If it is RT don't waste our time ok. The BUK could reach 75,000 feet btw and the rebels shot down a Ukraine transport plane at high altitude.
Yep that is the Russian nutshell, totally different mind set than us.
I have a few Russian friends who are impossible to reason with on certain subjects, I don’t even try anymore. Not one of them supports what Putin is doing in Ukraine but Russia is somehow not to really blame because uncle so and so says so.
You must be from DU, visiting FR by mistake. Your ignorance is only matched by your poor judgement and even worse manners.
It is curable. Read Emilly Post to learn of thing called etiquette, , read how to avoid logical fallacies (ad hominem attack when you have no arguments)and last but not least LEARN FACTS.
Uncle Chip has been stellar in his statements this far imo ...maybe DU is your hangout huh?
Actually there was a report a little while ago on Fox News that said that’s exactly what people have been doing. The NY Post quoted a Kiev government adviser, Anton Gerashchenko as saying rebels were stealing cash, jewerly and credit cards. He said families of the dead should have their accounts and assets frozen so ‘’terrorists can’t profit from them’’.
I do not give a hoot if someone choose Ruskies for the target of his racist outbursts, as long as he states the facts.
Racism fuelled with outright lies is bigotry, and I do not want to read it on FR.
That's why I mentioned DU, that's their MO.
Nah, two more trolls busted, tiger63 and DTO. DTO is not DU, he is GRU.
claiming a Freeper is lying without proof of it is not worthy of FReeperdom.
I think Uncle Chip has contributed well to this discussion on multi threads...good day!
It's a real mystery. Putin's a joke.
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