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Ukrainian millitary escorted B777 until 3 minutes before disappearing
Eturbonews ^ | 7-19-2014

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:21:55 AM PDT by Renfield

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is not independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: alexandervindman; burisma; collusion; ericciaramella; hoax; hunterbiden; mh17; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Who benefits? In the end, tinfoil manufacturers.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 8:07:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Renfield

The tweet certainly makes it seem like the shoot-down was an ACCIDENT. The separatists boasted of shooting down a MILITARY TRANSPORT plane, which is much smaller than a 777, but has a similar shape and flies much lower (making it look much bigger than it is). If the military escorted the B777 to just the edge of the war zone, no wonder the separatists mistook it for the military transport.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 8:11:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: sitetest

Or tricked them into it. Or, most likely, acted in such an unbelievably stupid way as to simply make likely a terrible accident. Give a military escort to a plane right up to the edge of a war zone, and then disappear?


23 posted on 07/19/2014 8:13:12 AM PDT by dangus
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To: 1rudeboy

>> Who benefits? In the end, tinfoil manufacturers. <<

A.K.A. the aluminati.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 8:13:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: 1rudeboy

This is a proven hoax. The “Air Traffic Controller” twitter account is deleted and Russian “news” websites have pulled the story from their websites.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 8:29:22 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Renfield

Why are you posting a known hoax in support of mass murdering Putin on a conservative website?


26 posted on 07/19/2014 8:31:32 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Count of Monte Fisto; All

You are giving us a good way to think about this horrific disaster.

When we consider the overall economic/political situation, and the currency wars, we have to pause and think about who profits from this?

Is Putin really that clueless, considering that many have described him as a master at geopolitical “chess”? How does he benefit from making such a miscalculation?

And, who is our present government aligned with in this conflict; how might they hope to profit from placing the blame on Putin/Russia?

How will Europe reacts, dependent as they are on Russia’s oil and gas, and economic trade?

I better go get another roll of Reynolds Wrap, because there is a possibility that this may not be Russia’s fault at all, but an effort by some in the west to fight back against Putin’s control over Europe, not to mention his new alliances with China and Saudi Arabia.

So, see what happens when we are lied to by our government, and our press no longer actually investigates independently of the “party line”?


27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:32:48 AM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: All

Good background on this Putinist fairy tale:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/07/18/malaysia-plane-shot-down-by-ukraine-claims-mysterious-spanish-air-traffic/


28 posted on 07/19/2014 8:37:39 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: jacquej
You are giving us a good way to think about this horrific disaster.

I would describe what happened as a "horrific crime", not just a "horrific disaster".

I better go get another roll of Reynolds Wrap, because there is a possibility that this may not be Russia’s fault at all...

Unnamed sources are BS.

29 posted on 07/19/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: rdcbn
I think the story line would be that Ukrainian fighter jets intercepted the 777, forced it to divert and then escorted it to a point above the Russian missile base all the while giving the impression that the flight of three aircraft was military.

This report seems to contain a lot of speculation and unconfirmed claims, but the bit about having military jets close to the commercial airliners is supported by the videos showing chaff falling on the wreckage.

ALERT! 777 Shoot Down Video Shows CHAFF Was Deployed, Points to Fighter Jet Involvement

Think about it, if you were going to divert a commercial airliner through an area that had two military planes shot down, would you not at least be concerned and maybe send an escort ? Especially if they were diverted because of weather.

And the link I posted above also makes some conclusions that are speculations. That site usually runs 80 % correct in its speculations which is very good for a blogger.

30 posted on 07/19/2014 8:54:56 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: FreeReign

I could be way off, FreeReign. I often am.

But, the way I see it at the moment, I am not sure that the scenario being provided for our max consumption is correct.

And, you are right that this is a crime, if it was intentional.

If it was an accident, (fog of war, etc), then what do we call it - the beginning of WW3, perhaps?


31 posted on 07/19/2014 8:57:50 AM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: lodi90
Why are you posting a known hoax in support of mass murdering Putin on a conservative website?

We went through a purge here of Putin supporters many years ago. What a Putin supporter would do is post a picture of a bowl of soup with a human eyeball floating in it. And BTW, the actions of the Putin Haters reminds me of the actions of the old Putin Lovers. Proof that in Europe there are only two sides to an issue. Nazi's and Communists. No middle ground.

32 posted on 07/19/2014 9:02:13 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: jacquej
What worries me is that they are not treating this like they treated the Ukraine accidental shoot down of a Russian commercial plane. Or the US accidentally shoot down of an Iranian civilian airliner. Why treat the situations differently ? They are assuming the rebels wanted to bring down a civilian plane, when previously the rebels had only shot down military planes.
33 posted on 07/19/2014 9:10:12 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

What worries me is that they are not treating this like they treated the Ukraine accidental shoot down of a Russian commercial plane. Or the US accidentally shoot down of an Iranian civilian airliner. Why treat the situations differently ? They are assuming the rebels wanted to bring down a civilian plane, when previously the rebels had only shot down military planes.


The difference these 300 people just died because of Russia’s unlawful warfare on it’s neighbor. There are no accidents or do overs in unlawful warfare.


34 posted on 07/19/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: justa-hairyape

Wow. That “chaff” must be a hundred feet long (or more), and maybe 30-50 feet wide.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 9:42:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All

I’m confused.Did Fighter Jets fly along side the B777?


36 posted on 07/19/2014 9:48:23 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: jacquej

The 100th Anniversary War.


37 posted on 07/19/2014 9:49:33 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: fatima

The whole article is bogus. Just the usual Russian propaganda meant for muddying the waters and create doubt in people. The Spain Report magazine and latino.foxnews contacted Spanish embassy in Ukraine and this Carlos does not exist. More at the links.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/07/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-military-shot-malaysian-airlines-mh17/

http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/3419”/>


38 posted on 07/19/2014 10:03:34 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: 1rudeboy

“Wow. That “chaff” must be a hundred feet long (or more), and maybe 30-50 feet wide.”

Yeah, it must be to jam the HF over-the-horizon (OTH) radars./sarc


39 posted on 07/19/2014 10:05:55 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: justa-hairyape
Bulls**t. Military chaff looks nothing like that. In fact, chaff dispenses in a CLOUD of small, thin wires (with each cut so as to reflect a different wavelength of radar). Anyone with a basic knowledge of physics can tell you that a piece of metal the size of the "chaff" in that video couldn't reflect the wavelengths necessary to jam a radar-guided missile. For example, this is actual chaff:

What that video shows is something like toilet paper or other debris. You are either completely ignorant about what you are posting, or you are a Russian shill...

40 posted on 07/19/2014 10:06:21 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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