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To: Fungi

did it ever occur to you that ukraine permitted
civilian flights close to the russian border despite its own jets being shot down in same area...ukraine approves where and who flys over its soverign land...i dont see this point in one single report from anyone in Media...meaning ukraine knew, in time, a civilian plane would get hit no different than allowing planes to fly into dust from an active volcano....


7 posted on 07/18/2014 7:35:58 PM PDT by Understand the stimulus
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To: Understand the stimulus

Did it ever occur to you that was sarcasm? Of course Putin had his hand in this.


8 posted on 07/18/2014 7:40:37 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Understand the stimulus

Did it ever occur to you that the rebels weren’t supposed to have access to advanced Russian weapons? That only the air space above 32,000 feet was cleared for travel? That MH17 only crossed into Ukraine airspace because apparently a Polish air traffic controller directed it to do so to avoid bad weather? That this mobile advanced antiaircraft battery may have only recently entered the country - from Russia.


16 posted on 07/18/2014 9:01:13 PM PDT by DB
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To: Understand the stimulus

The path the plane took was up to the airline and the pilot.

US airlines were ordered to avoid the airspace. Others as well but this one chose to fly it. It turned out to be a bad call. (but it was the shortest route)

So from that respect you can blame fuel prices..


17 posted on 07/18/2014 9:10:10 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Understand the stimulus

“did it ever occur to you that ukraine permitted
civilian flights close to the russian border despite its own jets being shot down in same area”

1. The Russian mercenaries in the Ukraine did not possess surface-to-air-missile systems (SAM) with a range capable of shooting down a high altitude aircraft such as a civilian airliner transiting through an international airway above 30,000 foot altitude.

2. The Russian armed forces which had the SAM capable of shooting down MH17 had no lawful right to be in the Ukraine. Whether they were located in the Ukraine or inside the Russian border, the Russian SAMs and their Russian operators were obligated to recognize the MH17 transponder codes identifying the aircraft as a Malaysian civilian airliner on their fire control radars and refrain from firing any SAMs at such a civilian aircraft. The Russian soldiers fired the Russian SAM/s to target the MH17 despite their fire control radars identifying the aircraft as a civilian aircraft and despite the aircraft likely being identified on radar as a Malaysian aircraft.

3. The deliberate Russian targeting of a radar target located in a known international high altitude jet airway and identified by its transponder codes as a civilian aircraft or airliner is generally comparable to the crime of Germany’s U-boats deliberately sinking neutral passenger and merchant ship/s in the Second World War.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 9:47:31 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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