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To: Understand the stimulus
Given the way government has worked in Ukraine ever since they became Independent, it's typical poor practices and implementation of decent practices that led to their not bothering to tell all flights to stay West of the Don. They're not the sort of government that would even think to have their civilian and military people coordinate and worry about such things and anyone who did would more than likely be told that was not their problem but something the nations who owned the civilian aircraft should take care of. It's the way things work there.

IOW, inept management in everything they do, not just this incident. That's how they shot down an aircraft by accident years ago and obviously they didn't consider airspace control and management as part the problem that led to that incident.

The Separatists, OTOH, fired on a target they could clearly see, was flying higher than most Ukraine military flights, was on a path civilian airlines had regularly used even if most were not still using that route, and didn't bother to positively identify the aircraft before they locked it up and launched. That's arguably criminal negligence rather than just poor practices. It's something a reasonable individual could be expected to consider.

There's a big difference between systemic negligence the criminal negligence of the shooters.

Arguing that Ukraine doing everything right would have kept this from happening doesn't absolve the shooters of criminal negligence particularly since the contributory negligence was not in and of itself a factor in the lethality of the result but only something that increased the exposure of the aircraft to potentially lethal situations.

Increasing the risk of a potentially lethal encounter is a far cry from the shooters intentionally unleashing something designed and built specifically to achieve a lethal result.

JMHO

13 posted on 07/18/2014 9:07:14 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

No one here has said the separatists should not be held responsible. Worse I have seen was partly responsible. However to act as if Putin personally did this himself is kinda crazy. When you have Cossacks running around in an area, anything is possible. They are historically known for being uncontrollable with a hair trigger. From the reports we have seen, they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane and when they found out it was not, they said oh well. Should not be flying into a war zone. Terrorists intentionally target civilians. So to call them terrorist is also kinda crazy. They did not celebrate after they discovered it was civilian as Islamic terrorists would.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 11:32:50 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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