[Mat_Helm]

I did not say average rebel. Yes, it took expertise to operate the SA-17, but you can train 18 year olds to operate the radar and guidance control and launch a strike. It takes command and control to prevent such reckless use of top of line surface to air missile systems. I used to help train fighter pilots on avoiding SA-17 radar. The ATC had no business allowing a flight plan anywhere near this area!!! I doubt Russia or Putin ordered this shoot down. This was out of control rebels. Wait until some of the weapons Obama gave Alqeda, ISIS, Syrian Islamists end up shooting down airliners anywhere at anytime with same result.

[edpc]

See post 234

[lodi90]

This was out of control rebels.

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Out of control terrorists using Russian heavy weapons and commanded by a FSB colonel. Yeah right.