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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I, for one, have never really cared one way or the other if people choose to smoke pot. My experience is that it appears to make most people dumber and slower. But it also seems to make some people happy and fall asleep, which I view as a real positive. Especially the part about putting them to sleep.

But I certainly don’t think that my long-developed and strongly held views against using drugs should be inflicted upon other people to whom I have no responsibility. Nor do I believe that someone else’s devotion to a weed pipe in any way impinges upon some high morals or precious views that I might hold.

Yeah? I wonder if this moron would mind it if the doper worked on his car brakes or on the jet engines of the airline he would book a flight for.

This guy's libertarian attitude is what allows the American civilization to degrade. If there are no standards, there is no strength and no quality. Americans may as well give themselves over to the gangs south of the border. Why enforce anything if it doesn't affect one personally?

2 posted on 07/16/2014 5:59:11 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage

This guy is exactly right. The war in drugs is a miserable failure. Unless of course you want to get rid of that pesky Constitution thingy. In that case it been a howl on success.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 6:01:24 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Hostage

But you don’t mind drinkers working on critical engineering or infrastructure. Let me guess, you are unable to distinguish between a recreational user and an addict but those who consume alcohol, why they would never do so on the job now would they Lou?

Your hypocrisy and ignorance is showing. Nixon would be proud and Anslinger would likely give you a medal. Be honest, are you afraid your daughters are going to smoke pot and bang black jazz musicians? Are you terrorized by visions of dope fiends with teashade eyes?


8 posted on 07/16/2014 6:08:15 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: Hostage

he’s a capital ‘L’ Libertarian ... the drug centric party. this s significantly different for the personal responsibility/ small govt/ moral lifestyle mindset of the founders

please make the distinction


21 posted on 07/16/2014 7:03:57 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Hostage
I wonder if this moron would mind it if the doper worked on his car brakes or on the jet engines of the airline he would book a flight for.

If we're talking grown adults, after reviewing the NIH and NHTSA reports, I think I'd rather have a weekend stoner working on my brakes than a lunchbreak drinker. They may be a tick slower but they're apparently more careful. To wit:
NHTSA data for young adult drivers:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Traffic+Techs/current/Marijuana+&+Alcohol+Combined+Increase+Impairment

reaction time under live driving conditions:
no alcohol/no thc = average reaction time of 4.65 seconds
Thc only = 4.65 plus 0.9 second delay
Alcohol at BAC 0.1 is "far more impairing" than THC alone. (that would be a beer on lunch break, btw, for those brake fellows or guys over at the maintenance bay)

NHTSA report on traffic fatalities [all age groups],
http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/26000/26600/26685/DOT_HS_808_065.pdf

"Among the 625 drivers who had BACs at or above O.lO%, the responsibility rate [for a fatality crash] was an extraordinary 94%,"
and, "In the absence of alcohol, no drug or drug group evidenced a driver responsibility rate significantly different from the drugfree control group." (page 111 marked as page 99)
and, "The THC-only drivers had a responsibility rate below that of the drugfree drivers, as was found previously by Williams and colleagues (1985). While the difference was not statistically significant, there was no indication that cannabis by itself was a cause of fatal crashes.(page 112 marked as page 100)

and, lastly, NIH weighs in - complex problem solving:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11682259

"Although marijuana significantly increased the number of premature responses and the time participants required to complete several tasks, it had no effect on accuracy on measures of cognitive flexibility, mental calculation, and reasoning...acute marijuana smoking produced minimal effects on complex cognitive task performance in experienced marijuana users."

Trix are for kids. Pot, like alcohol, is for adults. Isn't it time to put Refer Madness to bed?

26 posted on 07/16/2014 7:39:05 PM PDT by blueplum
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