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To: OneWingedShark

“So you think that given both federal and state refusal to stop invasion (and indeed much evidence they are aiding it) the people have no choice but to “deal with it”?”

The Second Amendment isn’t just about the individual right to bear arms. It is also about a “well regulated militia.” The “people” that want to be part of any militia MUST be under government control (duly elected officials). The COTUS makes no provisions for a “private” army. Anyone organizing or advocating persons to act outside of the COTUS in forming unauthorized “militias” are nothing more than insurgents like ISIS in Iraq.

The way the citizenry “deal” with this issue is to hold federal and state officials accountable at elections and other lawful and orderly processes set up to ensure transitions when officials do not follow the law.

Additionally, using one’s “oath of office” to justify insurrection is just plain wrong. You don’t violate the COTUS (by ignoring the rules sent forth in it) to supposedly “uphold” it. The oath of office was NEVER meant to relieve an individual of his/her constitutional mandate to follow the orders of superiors.

BTW - I am deeply upset with the border situation, and I want to see it ended. However, I want this to occur properly by the people (through their congress) forcing the executive branch of government to act in accordance with the proper laws of this nation. That is where we need to be focusing our actions. That is what Governor Perry is attempting to do....put pressure on the current POTUS to act as required by law.

Talk of “militias” needs to stop. This is NOT some third world country.


104 posted on 07/14/2014 5:25:48 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
Additionally, using one’s “oath of office” to justify insurrection is just plain wrong. You don’t violate the COTUS (by ignoring the rules sent forth in it) to supposedly “uphold” it. The oath of office was NEVER meant to relieve an individual of his/her constitutional mandate to follow the orders of superiors.

There's no Constitutional mandate to follow orders of superiors; that's part of the oath of enlistment.
Moreover, you are ignoring the plain fact that the orders to stand down [/not-engage/allow-it-to-happen] during an invasion are illegal, Treason to be exact.

You are asserting that illegal orders must be followed.

105 posted on 07/14/2014 5:35:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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