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Gen. Hayden: The State of Iraq Is Gone
NewsMax ^ | 18 Jun 2014 | Bill Hoffmann and Melissa Clyne

Posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:39 PM PDT by xzins

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1 posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:39 PM PDT by xzins
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“We should snuggle up comfortable with the Kurds in Kurdistan, who have always been pro-American and actually have a functioning society and state right now.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 3:35:03 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Yep.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 3:35:43 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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Iraq was an artificial construct by the British, in 1918.

Like Yugoslavia, it hung together only while there was a ruthless strongman in charge.

It’s demise was inevitable without a strongman.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 3:38:08 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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This is exactly the thing Bush promised the Arabs would not happen. Turkey feared Kurdistan. Saudi’s feared a new Shiastan. Everybody else feared a new Sunistan. Now, everybody’s fears have appeared and then some.

On the good side, they’ll be fighting each other over the oil for a long time to come. On the bad side, somebody will be selling the oil that they get and will at some point be very rich and very radicalized.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 3:39:16 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Convert Sunnistan into the state of ExxonMobilstan. Pump it dry then return it to the hoards.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 3:41:18 PM PDT by outofsalt
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Obama supported this group when it was in Syria, part of the so-called rebels fighting Assad.

I’ve wondered if Obama would like to see them become Iraq’s ‘strongman’ again. Push Hillary’s famous ‘reset’ button and go back to Sunni Hussein dictating for the entire area. (Most of Indonesia is Sunni, btw. I wonder if we should factor that into our consideration of Obama’s thoughts? Especially in light of his obeisance to the King of Mecca who also is Sunni.)


7 posted on 06/19/2014 3:42:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Had it been split in the beginning, we could have saved many lives and trillions. Which is why many wanted it that way from the start.

Keeping a country together by force always ends this way. Many here in America should have a good look at their future thanks to the even split we have.

Sucks. But it is what it is.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 3:43:33 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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Had a poster last week explain that the Turks don’t like the communist Kurd terror group the PKK, but that they do like this group in Iraq, and he gave their initials but I forget them....something like GKP???


9 posted on 06/19/2014 3:44:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Then we've got Sunnistan, and that's the state under the control of ISIS right now, and frankly, we've got to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists

We should call it Obamistan.

10 posted on 06/19/2014 3:46:11 PM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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“Then we’ve got SUNNISTAN...we’ve go to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists”

Just another foreign policy accomplishment of Barack Obama. ben laden never offered up that kind of threat. “Sunnistan” just came into possession of half a billion dollars to finance their terrorism.


11 posted on 06/19/2014 3:47:16 PM PDT by odawg
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au contraire’, my FRiend. Turkey couldn’t be more pleased - and, in a when-pigs-fly policy change, are embracing a Kurdish state:

http://time.com/2898883/iraq-turkey-kurd-isis/


12 posted on 06/19/2014 3:48:33 PM PDT by blueplum
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Turkey will never allow a Kurdistan on its border. The PKK still represents a threat despite the recent cease fire. They want to unite with the Kurds in Turkey and Iran.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 3:49:01 PM PDT by kabar
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Barack Hussein Obama will fly in on a magic carpet towing a “Mission Accomplished” banner


14 posted on 06/19/2014 3:52:25 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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Turkey feared Kurdistan.

Turkey had no skin in the game and they refused to allow the US to drive an armor assault across the Turkish border. Therefore their desires should have been ignored.

15 posted on 06/19/2014 3:53:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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MORE boots on the ground: Obama to send up to 300 military advisers to Iraq to train forces days after deploying 275 Marines to protect Baghdad embassy

By Francesca Chambers and David Martosko

Published: 11:31 EST, 19 June 2014 | Updated: 14:35 EST, 19 June 2014

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662759/MORE-boots-ground-Obama-expected-send-100-Green-Berets-Iraq-train-forces-days-deploying-275-Marines-protect-Baghdad-embassy.html#ixzz3581vmJHQ


16 posted on 06/19/2014 3:54:48 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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Turkey has gone into Iraq multiple times to pursue the PKK. They could care less what the US thinks or does when it comes to the Kurds. They will do what is best in their national interests. And we can’t do a thing about it.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 3:58:06 PM PDT by kabar
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“au contraire’, my FRiend. Turkey couldn’t be more pleased - and, in a when-pigs-fly policy change, are embracing a Kurdish state:”

I read that and I flat don’t believe it. Nearly half of the proposed Kurdistan lies inside the present borders of Turkey. The Turks have essentially been in a low-grade civil war for decades. An actual, official Kurdish state, the current leaders of which are actively hostile to Turkey and supporting their own local anti-Turk terrorists is unthinkable to the Turks.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 3:59:29 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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“Convert Sunnistan into the state of ExxonMobilstan. Pump it dry then return it to the hoards.”

Same should’ve been done with every oil rich Middle Eastern hellhole on the day oil was discovered. Look at the mess the anti-colonial bleeding hearts created.

We gave savages technical knowledge and piles of treasure which they used for terrorist attacks and to subvert our media and government. All to force us to submit to their war/death cult known as Islam. Now they build mile high buildings and run luxury airlines while we get groped to fly in a cattle car because of their fanatics.

19 posted on 06/19/2014 4:01:48 PM PDT by varyouga
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“Had it been split in the beginning, we could have saved many lives and trillions.”

As a Senator, Biden suggested that.

What will happen is the state of Shiastan will be incorporated into Iran. Sunnistan might as well be called Alqueadastan. Kurdistan will be the most stable as long as the Turks and Iranians stay out.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 4:02:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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