Posted on 06/11/2014 6:45:56 AM PDT by jimbo123
Opponents of immigration reform seized on House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s shocking primary defeat Tuesday night as a clear referendum against a sweeping overhaul – particularly one that includes so-called “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants.
Not so fast – at least according to one new poll.
Democrats are making the case that it was Cantor himself – not immigration – that dealt a powerful blow to the one-time rising Republican star’s political career. And they are releasing new data on Wednesday to back up their argument.
About 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district polled on Tuesday said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status – three key tenets of an overhaul, according to a poll by the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling and commissioned by the liberal advocacy group Americans United for Change.
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Depends on the meaning of “immigration reform”. Big difference between securing the borders and enforcing existing laws versus amnesty. Both could be considered “reform” based on the status quo.
I completely disagree.
Cantor was the one. He was everything the cabal had in mind for America and for the GOP.
He was very charismatic. He was going to change the GOP.
He forgot to check, whether the GOP and America wanted to change, the way he had in mind.
Just saying.
I think the GOP is poised for a rebellion.
Now.
Here is a “third” TEA Party Platform:
* Close and seal the Southern US Border, all 2,000 + miles of it.
* Cancel NAFTA.
* Abolish all Federal, State and Local Welfare payments to non-citizens of the USA.
* Block all money transfers to Mexico, or other any Country South of our Southern Border.
* Have lunch.
* After lunch, pass and sign Federal Penalty law to anyone who hires an Illegal Alien Invader, with a fine of $1,000 per day per alien.
* String Concertina Wire Holding-Pen Stockades at 100 mile intervals for the newly captured gotta-ways.
* Be as hostile to Mexicans as the Mexicans have been to the US Marine held and tortured in Prison by the Mexican Guards for the last two months.
* Hire Greyhound Bus Company to transport Illegal Alien Invaders to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Chain Link Desert Spa near Phoenix, Arizona.
* Have supper.
That may be a part of it but by all accounts he ignored his district. He spent all his time playing Majority Leader and operating on the national scene and angling for the Speakership that he forgot the folks who put him there in the first place and they were put off enough that they didn't turn out and vote. Let that be a lesson to the rest of them up there.
The PROBLEM WITH THE POLL, is that it presents a false premise!
““strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status”
NONE of those features will EVER be negotiated or signed into law while the Dems hold the Senate and the White House!!!
That means that while Cantor and other RINOs pretend they would be tough negotiators, they know they’re lying.
Republicans should offer 60 million Chinese free citizenship, education, and welfare benefits if they agree to vote Republican. Would the 'oh so compassionate' at Politco, New York Times, LA Times and Washington Post could see through that one.
Yeah, the little sh*ts would see through it...
They would be screaming like stuck pigs... but we're suppose to pretend dumping million of Mexicans here to vote dem is 'compassion'? Gimme a break.
“* Cancel NAFTA.”
NAFTA and GATT ceded US serenity to a foreign court. I suspect we can’t cancel the treaties without being taken to a foreign court. Cancellation would be a violation of the treaty and our trading partners would then invoke the penalty clauses. This happened when Bush put a tariff on steel so he could get some votes in Pennsylvania. We were taken to court, lost, and our trading partners retaliated by putting tariffs on thousands of US goods, making them unsalable in their markets. It hurt so badly that Bush was forced to cancel the tariff on steel. (This is probably the enforcement mechanism on the UN Arms treaty that would lead to making all private gun sales in the US illegal.)
This is the danger of any treaty, but especially one that uses asymmetric enforcement. We can wiggle and weasel within the terms of the treaty, which is how we ended up with alcohol in gas. We were taken to court and accused of subsidizing farmers. We lost, as we do subsidize. But it was impossible to remove the subsidies so the lawyers went to work and found a national defense loophole, which is how putting alcohol in gas got linked to national defense. (Really, it is, linked I mean. In reality it is as related to national defense as we are related to rocks.)
lol
probably the same pollster who said Cantor was leading by 35 :)
Like there was no opposition to Mao's policies.
So of course they lie.
All good points, but this now is the time for American Border Security to trump all other agreements.
Without heavily armed troops and secure concentration camps to house the children and adults who manage to slip past these armed troops, there will be no other defense but for WE THE PEOPLE to “fix” the problem ourselves.
This is WAR, Gen. Blather, just like Obama and the GOP-E Amnesty Whores have planned it.
Yep—they must have been bundled together as one question, too.
There is a difference between AMNESTY in the minds of the
voters and Immigration Reform...so says Charlie Jones....
12:00-4:00 a.m.(CST) at night KRLD 1080 am radio ...good listening and call in show if you are awake at that time.
can also get downloads of show
What AMNESTY [is] in the minds of the voters is important.
It does have that ‘feel’ sometimes...
Last night Brit Hume waxed disgusted because, in his opinion, the hoi poloi were using the term too loosely, and that contrary to we yokels think no one in the GOPe was supportive of 'amnesty' in its literal sense.
But I agree - what is really important is how the voters define amnesty.
Yes it did.
That's it. And outside of the low-information voters, EVERYONE knows this.
What sickens me is that Democrats cloak all this in the moral high-ground of compassion. That is dark subterfuge for what really lies in the motives of their heart.
This is Politico, here's some of the text:
“Looking just at Republicans in Cantor’s district, the poll found that 70 percent of GOP registered voters would support such a (generically described immigration) plan, while 27 percent would oppose.
Meanwhile, Cantor was deeply unpopular in his district, the PPP poll found. About 63 percent of those surveyed in his district said they did not approve of the job Cantor has been doing, with 30 percent of registered voters approving. Among Republicans, 43 percent approved of Cantor’s job performance, while 49 percent disapproved, the survey found.
“Cantor didn’t lose because of immigration,” pollster Tom Jensen wrote in the memo obtained in advance by POLITICO. “He lost because of the deep unpopularity of both himself personally and of the Republican House leadership. Even in his conservative district voters still want immigration reform passed, and they want it this year.”
Thanks!
So, I can certainly buy that personal dislike and anger at the GOP leadership played an important role in Cantor’s ouster. With Immigration playing an important role as well and both acting in concert to give Brat the nomination.
Keep in mind that Cantor was speaking out of both sides of his mouth on immigration.
He was saying that he is blocking/fighting an amnesty bill, and at the same time he was saying he supports a Dream Act amnesty bill for kids who grew up here, further saying it comes from his religious beliefs(??? he's Jewish).
It might just be that his dishonesty did him in rather than opposition to a Dream act idea.
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