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To: sarge83

If you don’t understand the fundamental difference between what went on with GM and what went on with Chrysler, then there is no point in trying to have any further discussion.

You can cling to your ideological dogma, or you can get informed.

Whether I agree or not with how Treasury handled any of this is irrelevant, there is a huge difference between we will loan you money with you personally signing on the dotted line for it, and we will give you a huge cash influx.

Chrysler was given loans, not cash, it had to fix itself or die, GM was given cash with no need to fix itself... and guess which one has fixed its issues and paid back its loans? And which one is still in the toilet and cost the taxpayers more than $11 BILLION in losses?

GM didn’t change because it didn’t have to, Chrysler changed because it had no choice. GM will NEVER change until it is put in a position where it has no choice, and the bailout made sure it had a choice. And it chose to keep doing what it was doing, same people, same culture, same process... You can only change a 40-50 year old broken culture by assuring it that starvation is a possibility... GM never faced starvation... Chrysler was 1 month away from being on the scrap heap for years while it fixed itself, and it fixed itself.

If you think GM and Chrysler are the same, or that how they were treated and dealt with during the bailout, you need to get a bit more informed.

Chrysler was so grossly mismanaged by investment bankers who had no idea how to manufacture, that its a wonder they hadn’t collapsed sooner. GM was grossly mismanaged by arrogance and graft for longer than I have walked this planet.... They drank so much of their own kool aid for so long they knew nothing else.


48 posted on 05/28/2014 12:01:18 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

The point is they shouldn’t have been given one red cent from the taxpaying citizens. They should have been required to do as all companies do when they are broke, go through the bankruptcy process. Really what has changed here? Is the UAW still there? Yes. Has management changed that much? I’m not seeing it.

To big to fail is the reason we are up to our neck in debt and corruption is rampant in government and big business. No accountability whatsoever and why care when the taxpaying citizen is always on the hook for a bailout, loan or however you want to phrase it to make it more palatable if someone screws up.


53 posted on 05/28/2014 12:54:13 PM PDT by sarge83
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