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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Your facts are wrong and your entire ecclesiology reeks of protestantism.

1. The Bible is important but it is not the last word. Christianity isn’t a “religion of the book”, and the Bible isn’t an owner’s manual for the faith.

2. I do not think you can document your claim that ANY — let alone “most” — of the early popes were married. We know only that Peter had been married at some point, though all available evidence suggests that his wife was not alive when Peter met Jesus.

3. Clerical celibacy was seen as the ideal in the West from a very early age. It was mandated as early as the fourth century, and by the fifth century was seen as the Western norm. The actions of Pope Gregory in the 11th century were only enforcements, not innovations, to secure observance of what was already required of clerics.


62 posted on 05/27/2014 8:41:51 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

According to Wikipedia.com (subject: clerical celibacy)

“The tenth century is claimed to be the high point of clerical marriage in the Latin communion (Catholic Church). Most rural priests were married and many urban clergy and bishops had wives and children.”


70 posted on 05/27/2014 8:55:46 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Romulus

Fact is the first 39 Popes at least were married men. Look it up in the Oxford Dictionary of Popes.

Few popes were truly chaste until more recently. Many kept mistresses and had affairs.

I love my Church, but let us acknowledge we are ALL sinners and are capable of making mistakes and errors-—and that INCLUDES the Church. It has made mistakes. We have had wicked popes and wicked priests-—and not in the too distant past especially here in the US.


98 posted on 05/27/2014 9:50:34 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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