Posted on 05/27/2014 5:18:07 AM PDT by GIdget2004
INtrepid
Your facts are wrong and your entire ecclesiology reeks of protestantism.
1. The Bible is important but it is not the last word. Christianity isn’t a “religion of the book”, and the Bible isn’t an owner’s manual for the faith.
2. I do not think you can document your claim that ANY — let alone “most” — of the early popes were married. We know only that Peter had been married at some point, though all available evidence suggests that his wife was not alive when Peter met Jesus.
3. Clerical celibacy was seen as the ideal in the West from a very early age. It was mandated as early as the fourth century, and by the fifth century was seen as the Western norm. The actions of Pope Gregory in the 11th century were only enforcements, not innovations, to secure observance of what was already required of clerics.
Sigh.
It hurts to be logical.
My kids’ (only the silliest) teachers run away from me if they see me.
Nope; wrong; sorry. A noncanonical marriage in Wolsey's day was a legal nullity; it's concubinage and nothing more.
The legal precedents for clerical celibacy in the West date to the 5th century and even earlier. The fact that many powerful churchmen kept mistresses proves nothing except that they were unfaithful to their calling.
Being a “real” Catholic hopefully does not turn you into a mindless drone marching in lockstep.
I first learned that Jesus had brothers and sisters in a Bible Study class, taught by a Catholic priest. I am forever grateful that this priest taught the Bible as it is written and did not make things up to conform to a certain point of view.
It is also interesting to note that same Pope who formalized the dogma that Mary herself was conceived of an immaculate conception (no basis for this in the Bible whatsoever) is the same Pope who developed the dogma of papal infallibility-—perhaps so no one would question some of his theories.
Let’s PLEASE stick to the Bible and not make things up.
Well you do logical very well. I know what you mean however by it hurting.
You make an excellent point regarding the other responsibilities that priests have. So many people think that the priests say a couple of Masses on Sunday and laze around navel gazing the rest of the time. Our parish has 4000 families, and our 2 priests can barely keep up.
The funerals alone take up a great part of the day, not to mention administering Last Rites and stopping by at wakes. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg! (You’ve already listed a great many of the other responsibilities.)
I simply cannot imagine being married to a man who has that much on his plate; he’d have no time for me or the kids.
That said, the young men I know who are currently seminarians (and I know several), are entirely orthodox and prepared to live celibate lives. That is not to say that celibacy doesn’t figure in this at all; they certainly do think about the implications of such a choice! But, in fact, when asked what the most difficult part of discerning their vocations was, they almost always say, “opposition (to them becoming priests) from family and friends.”
Regards,
Your posts on this thread show that you reject multiple dogmas of the Catholic faith which are de fide. You might be technically Catholic by way of having received the sacraments of initiation, but your own words show that you reject the Catholic faith.
Fine. Excommunicate me because I dare to think for myself. It won’t be the first time in history.
According to Wikipedia.com (subject: clerical celibacy)
“The tenth century is claimed to be the high point of clerical marriage in the Latin communion (Catholic Church). Most rural priests were married and many urban clergy and bishops had wives and children.”
You’re not thinking at all; you’re simply parroting errors poured into your head by heretics.
Were you ever a Catholic?
Cite?
Really, you could tell those theologians and philosophers a thing or two. Why waste your time on a friendly forum?
Just in case swayable people should be reading, just consult the Catechism.
Also, the Bible states that St. Paul said to beware of those who tickle your ears, lest they pullyou away from the faith. And a tenet of the Church is that when one practices the Sacraments faithfully and follows the will of God, that they are protected by the gift of discernment form heretics, which, of course, reside within the Church.
THe enemy is not interested in those he already has. They are not harassed. Holy entities are. Catholic marriage, the clergy, the faithful.
Heaven is not on earth.
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these three sins against the faith in this way:
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
“Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” [Code of Canon Law c.751]
:)
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am also a member of the Knights of Columbus 4th Degree and a Eucharistic Minister at my Church.
Even though I am not a fan of the current Pope (mostly because of his recent pronouncements on economic policy)...even he has acknowledged the door is open for change on the policy of mandatory clerical celibacy.
If you want to call me a heretic. Fine. I’m just against rewriting history and rewriting the Bible.
OY vey!
I know some as well. Isn't it wonderful? Finally!
Fine; I can easily accept that you’re uncatechized and deeply protestantized, the victim of heretics who’ve led you astray.
BTW, you are not a Eucharistic Minister unless you’re a priest. ARE you a priest?
Ok. The Knights of Columbus is a wonderful organization.
It was founded by a priest who strove and succeeded to keep men at home/devoted to their families, instead of out drinking.
They are a Catholic organization. the members are allowed to practice Catholicism.
The members are not bound to understand Catholicism.
Spreading untruths is something the enemy would work for these members to do. Very powerful.
But there is no test that states that its members practice or even believe in the truth of Catholicism.
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