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To: GladesGuru

Only a tiny minority of animals covered by the ESA are dangerous. And while there are dangerous ones, they are not the focus of the truly massive land grabs, which is done for less visible creatures like mice, insects, plants, etc.

Like right now, the feds want to take 6,000 acres from Arizona for the “New Mexico meadow jumping mouse”.

It is “Listed as Least Concern because it is very widespread, common and not in decline throughout most of its extensive range, it occurs in many protected areas and there are no major threats.” Except in that 6,000 acres in southern Arizona that the federal want to grab. Territory on the extreme end of where that mouse can live.

In 2004, 31,000 acres along streams in Colorado and Wyoming have been set aside as critical habitat for the “Preeble’s Mouse”, inflicting tremendous costs on those wishing to use their land. And even after it was proven that the “Preeble’s Mouse” *didn’t exist*, though it had cost some $100 million to those who lived in the area, the federals just shrugged and said that no, they were not going to give that land back.

Yes, wolves and bears can threaten ranchers herds and even people. But the federals are the far worse threat to their prosperity and very lives.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 6:31:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As a past member of the FL Sierra Club’s Florida Executive Committee (FLEXCOM) I can assure you the purpose of the Great Un-Natural Acts was to communize America. They worked as planned.

I suggested the “quartering” argument because American courts are an intellectual perverts dance macabre.

Between ‘standing’ and a catchy tune for a commie justice of five to sing along with, Natural Law has been violated so often that Lady Justice has become a ‘leather bottomed whore’.

As usual, laws, including the Great Un-Natural Acts, are used by those in power to perform the usual nasties as defined in Kipling’s famous ‘take from collective Peter and give to selected Paul’.

Hope for anything good? Dream on - as an example, my land in the Everglades has been under a 99% open space requirement, but no taking has occurred. Jim Burling, at Pacific Legal said I was not a sufficiently sympathetic client and when a property rights champion like Jim said something like that, you can forget about the Republic being returnable to anything similar to what the Founders thought they had created.

Meanwhile, back on the Gubment lands, critters were leaving as socialism demonstrated it was tolerable for neither man nor beast.

No snout has ever left the Gubment Trough willingly.

Historically, the Trough ran dry due to bankruptcy or a war killed off the Trough Feeders or destroyed the Trough and Trough Feeders alike. I hope America can be an exception to the history of Trough Feeding/Trough Feeders - but hope is thin these days.

History says tomorrow doesn’t look good either, not for the Trough and not for the Trough Feeders.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 7:39:19 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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