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To: mosesdapoet; tcrlaf; little jeremiah; All
I think it's more than ridiculous for this writer to say it's the separatists/sefl-defenders of the East which have caused this fear when that's hardly the case.... There's been an evacuation issued from all sides as a result of the Keiv Government Leadership , and Right Sector stating they are going to "Mop UP" the East.

Furthermore... it's all over the news and the Internet that the Kiev Government and the Right Sector have been 'bombing the East' “all week”long....even FR has threads of this and videos/photos showing so.

Additionally even one of the Presidential Candidates claimed responsibility for some of the artillery shelling of tanks...and we all know other Oligarchs have their militias running wild in the east.

There are many questions of who is doing what...what we do know is there are swarms of armed militias there, hired by various people, Kiev Army and who they hire, and the Right Sector all fighting there and all have a political agenda.........some want to see enough bloodshed to "force" war between Russia and the US.....others want war because they can't fight and win without some major country coming in with them.........the people/citizens want everyone but there own fighters out of there.

And then to lay blame on any one group is beyond ridiculous when even the fighters can't tell each other apart!

To add more to the problems...Kiev Government and the Right Sector, who have been working together, now have a great deal of political infighting between them which began in the last couple weeks.

If you back up to a couple weeks ago...Many cities in the East who voted for the referendum wanted and were given the green flag they could vote in the Pres. election. But after Keiv's army began shelling and destroying their communities buildings, and shooting at their people, they made it clear they were not going to vote because of the shelling...which has only escalated.

Right Sector wants to retain their Government representation.....and they have feared if the East votes it would deter their agenda....the right sector favors Yulia T. who has stated if she doesn't win the Pres. position she would rise her people for another Maidan Protest. She knows who has the majority now and it isn't her...in fact she's trending far behind the frontrunner. She is as ruthless and cunning as any other and will stop at nothing to regain her power in the Government.

So there is no way any can point to 'who' is causing fear in the East....when you have the area saturated with militia's, Keiv's army , hired thugs, and all the nutcases that have jumped on the bandwagons for the thrill of fighting.

5 posted on 05/23/2014 10:09:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

And still, the dying goes on.

Ukrainian mothers in Western blocked a crossing into Poland yesterday, to protest their kids being conscripted and sent straight to war with no training.

The Horlivka rebel group is going after the Right Sector Donbas militia, hard.

Several reports that the Donetsk Airport fell to the rebels tonight.

The Ukrainian Army is a real mess, they can’t seem to even feed their troops in the field, and Defections are WAY up. Shooting your own people that refuse to fire on civilians will do that. Several rumors via twitter that the Army in the Southeast may be near a full-scale revolt.

And tonight, there are several reports that the Slovyansk group has gone on the offensive, after the shelling of civilian areas of the city yesterday. Per several tweets in the last hour or so, the 51st Airmobile Brigade is surrounded, and contact with the HQ has been lost, they aren’t responding to radio calls.

And all of this could have been easily avoided. A lesson Europe seems to be learning, a bit too late.

And I don’t think the election is going to solve much, because I just don’t see RightSector/Svoboda handing over power without even more bloodshed.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 10:22:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

The Two leading Pres. candidates.. Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko are bitter rivals and have had on ongoing feud since the Orange Revolution......Tymoshenko believes and claimed publicaly she is the “only one” who can save Ukraine....now that it looks like her bitter rival is going to get the Presidency she is going to do all she can to prevent it.....Eastern Ukraine would vote for her rival.


7 posted on 05/23/2014 10:23:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

That’s about the best summary I’ve seen to date; only leaves out the machinations of the US/EU and whoever else. But as far as the various factions and elements within Ukraine, it could not be said better. I’ll copy it!


20 posted on 05/23/2014 11:30:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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