[cuban leaf]

The democrats are perfectly willing to “own” things, everything, they love your idea of total surrender to them.

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That’s one way to look at it. My way of looking at it is that it is a monkeys paw sort of thing. They have the votes. They are getting what they wish for. It will implode.

But the 800 lb gorilla in the room is that the R’s, as currently configured, are no better. The two parties are playing “good cop, bad cop” with us. I’m not playing.

[ansel12]

For the second time in my life I will vote for a democrat.

You vote for what you prefer.