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Whiny Polish MP Wants to Keep my Murdered Grandfather's Property
The Jewish Independent ^ | May 18, 2014 | Yori Yanover

Posted on 05/18/2014 1:42:51 PM PDT by Tzvi INN.com

Slawomir Kopycinski is not the exception in Poland, he’s the rule. And we should not tell any more lies about it.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jewish; poland; property; soviet
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1 posted on 05/18/2014 1:42:51 PM PDT by Tzvi INN.com
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To: Tzvi INN.com
“the fourth partition of Poland,”

Either there's a mistranslation somewhere, or the guy doesn't know his own history.

There were three partitions of Poland in the 18th century, and the Nazis and Soviets split it up again in 1939.

Which would seem to make the process he was complaining about the 5th.

2 posted on 05/18/2014 1:48:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tzvi INN.com
Not to get in the middle of this, but from a purely rhetorical POV it's best not to start out with the word "whiny" when you write a highly emotional piece like this.

FWIW: Jewish Press Fires Online Editor Yori Yanover for Criticizing Ultra-Orthodox Anti-Draft Rally

3 posted on 05/18/2014 1:49:36 PM PDT by x
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To: Tzvi INN.com
OK, interesting article.

Doesn't give much background, but apparently some Polish pol doesn't want to give back some property to the heirs of those the Nazis stole it from back in the day.

Since this theft took place 75 years ago, all the actual participants are dead.

I don't know how Kopycinski came into possession of this property, but it would likely be an injustice for it to be taken from him and returned to the heirs of the original owners. It is unlikely he had anything to do personally with the original property, and may in fact have acquired it in perfectly good faith. Quite possibly with no awareness of is history.

The answer, of course, is for the government to compensate either the heirs of the original owners or Mr. Kopycinski. Possibly some or all of this money should come from the descendants of the states responsible for the original theft and murder, the Germans or Russians.

I found the general tone of the article more than a little disturbing.

I mean, listen to this bastard, Kopycinski, he’s actually complaining about giving back property his family and his neighbors have stolen almost 70 years ago.

The author provides no evidence that Kopycinski, his family or his neighbors were personally involved in the theft of this property. Apparently they are to be standins for all Poles, who must suffer now because some other Poles in the past did bad things.

You'd think a Jew would have the common sense to reject this POV, as it was the one used for centuries to target Jews.

If we apply this principle comprehensively, a whole bunch of Americans are going to have to give the land they live on back to the Indians. Possibly all of us.

4 posted on 05/18/2014 1:58:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

“You’d think a Jew would have the common sense to reject this POV, as it was the one used for centuries to target Jews.”

What percentage of the American Jewish population voted for Obama?

Heck one I know even rationalized Soros helping the Nazi’s killing other Jews in WWII, as “he did what he had to do”.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 2:04:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Years ago, even the some what conservative Boston Glob columnist Jeff Jacoby had the same complaint, albeit, in what was Czechoslovakia.

I'm sure he made the day of people that owned the property. I wonder how title insurance is/was handled in post-war Europe?

Well, the US is still paying for slavery in only half the states from 150 years ago.

6 posted on 05/18/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

If the Poles, or the Germans, of today can be blamed and personally punished for the murders and thefts committed 75 years ago, then it is merely an extension of the same principle to blame and punish the Jews for the killing of Christ 2000 years ago.

(Leaving aside some of the valid questions about which group or groups were personally responsible for the murder of Jesus.)


7 posted on 05/18/2014 2:27:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Send the bill to Germany and Russia, they started it.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 2:29:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sherman Logan

Agree. And there are some innocent ethnic Germans from parts of Eastern Europe who could be making the same claims, but don’t, even though they grew up in camps.


9 posted on 05/18/2014 2:49:52 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

The author could have at least recognized that as many or more Polish Christians were murdered by the Nazis as Polish Jews.


10 posted on 05/18/2014 3:13:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Good point. And, coincidentally, I was just reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Kowalski_(priest)


11 posted on 05/18/2014 3:15:13 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Sherman Logan

So? My family had land before the Russian Revolution. Some of that was on natural gas fields now. We never thought that we had any claim on it because we didn’t go through the intervening 75 years of Hell.


12 posted on 05/18/2014 3:16:16 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: OldNewYork

Not to take anything away from Kowalski, but the author of this piece is quite correct that many Poles did participate in betrayal of their Jewish compatriots and even in their murder, often with great enthusiasm.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 3:21:19 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t doubt it. Not everyone was innocent. But, acknowledging that, treating everyone as guilty, including people not yet even born, isn’t right either.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 3:24:36 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Absolutely.

Any large group of people will have those who behave under great stress with heroism and others with cowardice or villainy.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 3:29:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

When Franco won the civil war in Spain in 1939, he declared all property titles issued after July 18, 1936 (the start of the war - and wealth re-distirbution by the Reds) null and void. Easy enough (since much less time had elapsed).


16 posted on 05/18/2014 3:57:18 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Sherman Logan

If you buy stolen goods, if it can be proven,
you DON’T get to keep it weather you knew or not.
At least not here.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 4:01:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

How far back does that principle go?

The USA violated just about every treaty it ever signed with the Indians. Do they get the land back?


18 posted on 05/18/2014 4:04:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tzvi INN.com; Sherman Logan
The author seems more like a mental patient than a journalist.

I'll guess that he would not be as enthusiastic an advocate of returning Brooklyn to the descendants of its native inhabitants.

He seems ignorant of history in general.

If foreign invaders (Wehrmacht) steal property and then another set of foreign invaders (Red Army) take it from them, and then the new foreign proprietors forcibly resettle new inabitants where the old ones used to live, and the old inhabitants have either been murdered or have fled to safety, and the property was then abandoned 60 years later by the invaders leaving the property to maybe a third or fourth generation of new inhabitants, what do you do?

Turn the new people out in the street, apparently, and call them murderers.

How about this, instead: let the Russians and Germans pay reparations for what they stole and destroyed to the descendants of the original injured parties.

Is the author going to move to the property and take up residence among people whom he hates in a land he clearly despises?

Hardly. What he wants is the value of his inheritance.

Germany is paying substantial reparations, perhaps "The New Russia" should use its oil wealth to pay some of its own historical debts.

What the author clearly wants is to rip open old wounds and commit new injustices because he is a nasty person who enjoys conflict and bitterness.

19 posted on 05/18/2014 4:28:03 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I agree. Well put.

If you go back far enough, every single property in the world changed hands, usually many, many times, by conquest.

Which of those conquests do we decide is valid, and date legal title from, with all subsequent transfers “illegal?”


20 posted on 05/18/2014 4:41:45 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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