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To: Mount Athos
"In order to believe that Vladimir Putin is anything other than the heroic figure he appears to be".

.that's what I call broken logic.

"So every leader who builds a church and says something good about Christian values is a Mussolini or Franco."

In case your memory is faulty: "No, only oppressive dictators who magically become devout defenders of the faith when it becomes politically convenient. None of these guys were Christian until they needed to portray themselves as traditional, Christian heroes of the nation. In other words, a personality cult tailored for the nation."

Obama also claims to be Christian and prays in public. You believe him? Or do you only believe the better and more opportunistic liar?

"Of course you don’t make this comparison for the leaders who don’t even try to do anything Christian."

Yes, because every critic of Putin on a Putin thread must also criticize Obama at the same time, lest it be insinuated that he's ignoring Obama's transgressions.

"Russia backed off of Chechnya for years, leaving them with defacto independence. The people voted in a taliban government with kidnapping as the national industry, used it as a launching ground for further attacks into Russian provinces like Dagestan and terrorist attacks in Moscow."

You mean the Russians tried and failed. In return, the Russians surrounded Grozny and turned it into the most bombed city on Earth. With civilians inside. They then committed massacres, and there are mass graves still being dug up there. In 2012, the "people" thanked Putin by giving him 99% of the vote with 99% voter turnout in 2011.

Read Anna Politkovskaya's (God bless her soul) reports and books, she documents this extensively, and Putin's hands are as bloody as the terrorists he fought against.

She was eventually killed by Putin for it. I notice you said nothing about what happened to her or all the other journalists that Putin has imprisoned and killed either. Obama aspires to be what Putin has already become in Russia. Just another corrupt, opportunistic dictator with delusions of grandeur, greatness propagated by the state organs under his control.

22 posted on 05/18/2014 3:57:32 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat

Building a church or standing up for a religious value does not make a leader a Franco nor a Mussolini.

It is idiocy to assert that it does.

If a person says hey that leader did a good thing rebuilding a church, or hey that leader was right to stand up for a Christian value, it doesn’t mean they are a lover of Franco or Mussolini (as you directly accused someone above of).

You insist Putin has no Christian motivation whatsoever.
Are you pretending to be God? A mind reader?
Why not be honest and admit you don’t know.
I don’t know — there I am honest.

Sure, there have been plenty of people in history of have grandstanded for religion for their own purposes.

But there also have been plenty of sincere believers, who have been demonized to say they had no good motivations when in fact they did.

Was George Bush a devil for invading Iraq?

Was Abraham Lincoln a deeply wicked individual for sanctioning the war crimes of Sherman rampaging in the South to bring the war to a more rapid close?

How about the approval of the nuclear bombing at the end of WWII, is that proof Truman was unchristian?
Many people think it saved hundreds of thousands of lives, on balance.

How about Ronald Reagan, was he Satan for the events with the Contras?

Each of these people had a virtuous consciences that were challenged by the realities of governing a nation and world affairs. Yet at the same time they were imperfect humans with selfish and corrupted desires as well. You gonna say they were simply Unchristian?
How easy for you.

For you, you can read minds and it is all black and white.

Putin killed people in Chechnya, so that’s it for you he is the devil.

Do the people victimized by Chechens factor into your thinking even a little bit?

Did you ever consider how many MORE people would have been victimized if it hadn’t been retaken?

Again, the territory of Chechnya was being used as a base to attack the rest of Russia including Daegestan. The problem wasn’t going to go away, it was just a question of how much damage it would be allowed to do.

Doing nothing would make Putin guilty for doing nothing. And how many more people would have been kidnapped and killed by Chechnya’s kidnapping industry? The invasions from expansionist muslims? Then there is all the airplane, school, and theatre terrorism that came out of there.

Would letting that continue really have been “Christian”?

How was he supposed to deal with the problem, ask nicely?


23 posted on 05/18/2014 4:28:32 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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