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To: caww

The insurgents refuse to participate.

That would mean surrendering their arms and leaving the buildings... and they know they will lose the elections as people form E. Ukraine want to stay part of Ukraine per polling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-talks-set-to-open-without-pro-russian-separatists/2014/05/14/621dbc6a-c7d9-40bc-b2e5-814a4108bbef_story.html

“Separatist leaders in Donetsk and Luhansk were adamant that the Ukrainian elections would not take place in their regions.

Polls have indicated that most residents of eastern Ukraine would prefer to remain part of the country.”


20 posted on 05/14/2014 11:26:08 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“Polls have indicated that most residents of eastern Ukraine would prefer to remain part of the country.””

Not that there is much stock in a poll like that, but Western Journos did note that as many people in the voting lines were voting against the coup regime, but wanted to stay Ukrainian, as there were that wanted independence.

The Odessa and Mauriupol Massacres totally changed the calculus. You will have that when someone is killing “your people”.


23 posted on 05/14/2014 11:38:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: rbmillerjr; FBD

Just so you know.. A ‘Commander of Ukraine’ defected today, on this video, is now with the citizens resisting Kiev Government and encourages others to do likewise in South East Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OuKsqSUbs


26 posted on 05/14/2014 11:48:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: rbmillerjr

Those people will never surrender...they have to much skin in this now and understand the war as it is....

Only when Kiev gov. withdraws from shooting their own people will they consider the alternatives .

At the rate of defection now happening in the Ukraine Army they might not have to do anything but wait it out.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 11:57:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: rbmillerjr
....”Separatist leaders in Donetsk and Luhansk were adamant that the Ukrainian elections would not take place in their regions”....

That's only half true.... wasn't until after Kiev began killing people with their Army in the EAst...before that they had all determined to vote in the election...and wanted to....and Kiev had expected them to as well. Killing your own people isn't exactly the way to invite them.

Kiev/US Gov are slitting their own throats because they have idotic US Rep.s there with no experience whatsoever about how to do things.......except to sit around tables and pretend to ‘look like’ they know.’

This just shows again how inept Obama and this administration is that they can't even get people to the table.

47 posted on 05/14/2014 12:26:26 PM PDT by caww
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