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1 posted on 05/12/2014 9:45:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I'm very surprised that Michael Savage does not know about subsidiarity.

He is mistaken in his interpretation of what the Pope is saying.

Subsidiarity: going to the smallest entity possible for assistance, for example, your neighbor, neighborhood, local church, local agencies such as St. Vincent de Paul Society.

Michael, please read up on subsidiarity -- notice I didn't say subsidies! In other words, get educated!

Repeat After Me: Subsidiarity & Solidarity
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[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Principle of Subsidiarity
[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Subsidiarity Over Social Justice
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43 posted on 05/12/2014 10:29:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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**Savage’s response: “It’s Karl Marx in a papal outfit.” **

Not true. He is misinterpreting the Pope’s words, as are other media.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 10:31:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Sounds like a fine idea. Sell the papal bling for starters... that alone should be worth million$.


47 posted on 05/12/2014 10:32:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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The Catholic Church supports literally tens of thousands of hospitals, universities, elementary schools, and charitable homes throughout the world. In India alone, there are 13000 Catholic elementary and high schools, 400 colleges and 500 technical schools.

The fact is that the Catholic Church is by far the largest charitable organization on earth.


53 posted on 05/12/2014 10:36:12 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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Hey Savage those works of art were given to God for all ages. He has title to them. Talk to Him.


59 posted on 05/12/2014 10:44:47 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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Pfff. I have even less patience for Michael Weiner “Savage” than I have for Pope Francis.


62 posted on 05/12/2014 10:47:00 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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Sell the Vatican to the Muslims, they can turn it into a mosque. Would that make you happy? The treasures of the Church are the treasures of Western Civilization and have been enjoyed for centuries. Selling them to “cure” poverty would be short-sighted and ineffectual. That said, the pope should be exhorting Christians, not governments, to minister to the poor.


81 posted on 05/12/2014 11:03:54 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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Mike has a point, but it’s silly. The wealth of the Vatican city/state is $3 billion. For comparison purposes, Harvard’s endowment is $35 billion. And the Vatican’s administrative staff is smaller than that of Notre Dame University.

Local parishes are locally owned and administered, and subject to the local bishop.


91 posted on 05/12/2014 11:12:23 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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It is vitally important that the Vatican learn a simple truth: that socialism is an atheist *parody* of Christianity, so embracing what socialism mimics in Christianity is a dire mistake.

According to Catholic demonologies, when Lucifer and the other angels were cast from Heaven into Hell, they decided to try to duplicate Heaven in Hell. But like socialism, it is a *parody*, also based in evil.

Should Heaven seek ecumenism with Hell? Of course not.

Neither should the church seek ecumenism with socialism, for much the same reason.

Heaven pursues the souls of the righteous, but so does Hell. This does not mean they have a common goal, no ground where they meet in agreement. No shared purpose.

If socialism offers to help the poor, it is not ever done for the same reason that the church tries to help the poor. Help offered by evil is never helpful, but leads to ruination. So the church should never confuse what it does, or why, with the actions of those who are not righteous.


101 posted on 05/12/2014 11:42:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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A live stream for The Savage Nation can be found here.

Monday: the doc is in.
112 posted on 05/12/2014 12:19:56 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Michael Savage: Pope Francis Should Redistribute Vatican's Income First

Sounds fair to me. But I hear that he has led by example, eschewing many of the luxury trappings available to him.

But note that Savage referenced Vatican INCOME, not Vatican WEALTH. Was that just an oversight?

120 posted on 05/12/2014 12:52:26 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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If Mike really cares about not encouraging leftism, he could start at home and maybe not endorse leftists for California state office.


127 posted on 05/12/2014 1:21:26 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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The Vatican can get creative when it comes to moneymaking. They can host an upcoming WrestleMania, for example.


134 posted on 05/12/2014 2:02:11 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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I encourage any interested party to read the entire statement, which is short, in its full context.

I think one may find it a bit different that what it has been represented to be.

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-to-un-resist-the-economy-of-exclusion-serve-t


139 posted on 05/12/2014 3:39:19 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters, and educates more people than any other organization in the world.

But I guess Savage doesn’t care about that.


142 posted on 05/12/2014 7:35:22 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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That was my first thought, too.


157 posted on 05/13/2014 8:34:05 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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160 posted on 05/13/2014 9:11:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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