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To: PaulCruz2016

The Soviet Union sided with Nazi Germany literally to the day Hitler invaded them. There would have been no modernized Luftwaffe, tanks or rocket program without the assistance of the Soviet Union during the inter-war years and they also divided up Poland. I have no sympathy at all for the Russians and what happened to them in that era. We could have bested the Axis without the USSR, although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 7:49:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.”

The USSR did suffer some minor casualties, somewhere around 20-22 million


22 posted on 05/11/2014 8:11:25 PM PDT by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Russia served as a way to drain German resources and distract the German military command.


27 posted on 05/11/2014 8:17:47 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dfwgator
We could have bested the Axis without the USSR, although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.

Having studied the war between Nazi Germany and the USSR most of my adult life, it wasn't quite that simple. And I would point out that the Soviets felt the same way about our participation.

Very few people in the West know the guy who actually won the war for the Soviet Union; Marshal Boris Shaposhnikov, who developed the Red Army mobilization plans. It was his work that allowed the Stalin to create fresh armies on the fly more rapidly than the Germans could destroy them. And all the while, even though those armies were destroyed in the meatgrinder, they wore down the Germans who could not replace their losses.

Yes, Stalin's brutality and incompetence cost a lot of lives in that war. Most of that was because of the condition he put the Red Army on June 22, 1941, with the officer purges, the rapid expansion of the force structure, the obsolete worn out equipment and occupation of unfortified and unfriendly areas. Because of that the Red Army was going to have to learn its craft in the field, and those lessons were going to be expensive. It was never going to be a rapier like the German panzer units, but instead, by necessity, it was a club used to bludgeon the Wehrmacht into submission. By 1943, Stalin found the generals who knew how to swing the club.

Could we have defeated the Axis in Europe without the USSR? Maybe. Over the course of two wars and two generations at the cost of copious amounts of American blood. The German war machine was in decline by June 6, 1944. We had complete air and naval superiority. And yet, Normandy was not a cakewalk.

47 posted on 05/12/2014 7:06:29 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well put.


61 posted on 05/16/2014 3:57:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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