Posted on 05/11/2014 4:12:33 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
DONETSK, Ukraine -- Ninety percent of voters in a key industrial region in eastern Ukraine came out in favor of sovereignty Sunday, pro-Russian insurgents said in announcing preliminary results of a twin referendum that is certain to deepen the turmoil in the country.
Roman Lyagin, election chief of the self-styled Donetsk People's Republic, said around 75 percent of the Donetsk region's 3 million or so eligible voters cast ballots, and the vast majority backed self-rule.
(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...
First, get it straight that it’s not THE Ukraine, its simply “Ukraine” just like its not “The Russia.”
Please tell me the difference between the “ruthless” KGB & “our” CIA. Do you seriously believe the CIA was/is any less “ruthless?”
It’s the Agenda 21 cabal that intends to take over the world - including Russia - starting with the past Russian countries that border Russia today -
Why are so many so ignorant regarding Agenda 21. You probably have some factions already working in you home towns - under Pseudomonas like “Sustainable Development” - and anything and everything EPA, Climate Change - all through the UN.
In Europe, they run the EU - and NATO is on board. The people of the Crimea and eastern Ukraine know this - they want no part of it.
It’s not ‘old Russia’ who means to control - it’s AGENDA 21. (Last election cycle, Newt Gingrich was the ONLY one who knew - and warned against Agenda 21...aka NWO - New World Order.. Papa Bush was in on it from the beginning. Kerry - with the dems and Rhinos - is doing everything he can to get us under this UN Agenda )
papa Bush -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU
It’s crosses the lines - dems and pubbies
It’s crosses the spectrum
a surprise guest at the Tea Party Patriots meeting:
this video is a good primer for those who don’t really know who’s operating ‘behind the mask...’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpL8IjiSuTI
in Rio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2o82bi3oMc
Putin is aware of Agenda 21 - he fights against it.
There are many YouTube videos on Agenda 21, in
We educate ourselves - or bend over...
BRAVO, maine-iac.
Fallout 3. Postapocalyptic video game that is pretty detailed. Huge backstory, lots of real world derived moral scenarios.
Worth looking up just for the story alone if you are into good Sci Fi.
There is one aspect to this whole thing that has been mentioned before on other threads but not (I think) on this one, and I’d like to get your take on it:
Russia sat by and watched the US bomb its ally Serbia in the 1990s, bomb Serbia and kill a lot of Serbians. All to achieve what goal? To allow a bunch of Albanian Muslims to conquer a huge piece of Serbian territory. Russia sat back and let it happen, and did not threaten war with the US.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and many of us in the US are outraged. In fact, when I think of things from the Ukrainian point of view, I myself am outraged. I feel for the plight of the Ukrainians and view the situation as a Russian boot on the neck of the Ukrainians.
But from a geopolitical perspective, what the US did in Kosovo was far worse. We facilitated the MUSLIM takeover of NONMUSLIM land. And we slaughtered a bunch of NONMUSLIMS, raining death from the sky.
While I feel bad for those Ukrainians who are losing their sovereignty, at least they are not losing it to a bunch of USA-facilitated MUSLIMS.
What we did in Kosovo is far worse. Whether that means we should sit back and do nothing now (the way the Russians did then) is open to question. But what is not open to question is this: we should recognize our own duplicity on the subject of territorial annexations.
In general, I think it comes down to two leaders of global superpowers doing what leftists do. Clinton was acting long term seeing the growth of islam and thinking he could harness it. Obama does nothing unless told by whatever force controls him...likely still thinking they can harness Islam and Putin is half Russian patriot, half power lust with an eye toward becoming the man who reunites the Russian, not Soviet Empire.
I think he has his own plans that may draw from communism, but are not communism. Just good old powerandcontroluism.
America cannot take moral high ground anymore. Clinton and Obama flushed it. that is the reality it will take decades to mitigate. And we will never again hold any trust because of it.
It pisses me off to say it, but I believe it and I think the facts show it. People can whine “oh thats hate America crap”. No. I don’t hate my country. I hate what libs did with it and the GOP allowed to happen.
Gee, calm down, so you don’t get a case of “the” vapors.
I would not know, but a were discussing the article in question, which gave examples of ruthless activities allegedly tied to Putin, an ex-KGB agent, who figured in the events, signifying he was an excellent practitioner of ruthless arts.
We were not discussing the CIA, but feel free to add it into the discussion, as you evidently feel it has relevance.
Well, I didn’t vote for Clinton. I never supported the airstrikes in Serbia either. Not only that, but Clinton was exceeding his Constitutional authority at the time. My only regret is that the American people chose such a President to lead my country.
So I reject the idea that I or some conservative President succeeding Obama can’t take the moral high ground because someone we never supported did something we never supported. Reagan didn’t let Carter’s old policies tie up his Presidency, Bush didn’t get strung up by Clinton’s misdeeds, and neither will I.
In my view, only Constitutional treaties and legislation ratified by Congress and signed by the President are not transcient between Presidential terms. Clinton never got Congress’s permission for Kosovo, he just invoked executive authority and did it himself. Breaking the War Powers Resolution passed by Congress along the way.
He also ignored Congress and intervened abroad repeatedly even when Congress explicitly told him not to. Haiti, anyone? Clinton was acting unconstitutionally beyond the Powers he was granted upon electoral victory. Because of this, I wouldn’t feel duplicitous at all supporting a different President who did everything he could to stop other countries from doing what Clinton and Obama did.
I fully expect a future conservative President to refuse to apologize for past Presidents and do whatever he can to stop countries from supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, support the return of secularism in the Middle East and prevent other countries from doing their own Kosovo’s and Arab Springs.
Would it seem duplicitous on the part of the United States when just a few years ago, the United States itself was doing the opposite of these things? I would say...not at all. Because the President was abusing his authority, lacking Constitutional power or explicit permission from Congress to do what he did. On top of that, conservatives never voted for him, nor did conservatives ever support what he did.
There is one massive problem here. While you are free to reject the idea all you like, All the countries that Bill and Barry hosed ARE NOT rejecting it. And they, not Americans, are what matters in this scenario.
Here is just one simple example. Somewhere in the world exists a tiny muslim nation that never attacked America. In actuality there are several. Are you (not personally, I mean the general ‘you’) going to trust them? Ever? Why not?
Well, if you are thinking straight, you say to yourself “Their loyalty id to the Koran’s teachings and in the future, the Sultan of Good Feelings may be replaced by another Ayatollah type.
Every other country in the world now looks at America and thinks just what the Polish newspaper writer said. “The problem is with the people who would elect a “Barack Obama”. They see clearly that America of the modern age is not the America of the Reagan age. They see a country that cheers people because they are gay and fires them for harsh language. They see our leaders lie to the world blatantly on any number of subjects. they know that the likelihood of an end to NSA spying is zero regardless of who is in charge.
Who in their right mind would trust us now? Who? We keep screwing allies like Canada and forcing the Ghey on others under threat of foreign aid, regardless of their cultures. We keep electing lesser evils that stand for winning and nothing more when we don’t choose the lesser evil to begin with. We have a congress that is rated below the media by the people that elected it. We don’t trust ourselves. How in Gods name are we supposed to think anyone would trust us?
It would take a looooong time to even get back to break even. I don’t know if we can ever even get back to where we were under Bush, much less Reagan. And it is meaningless to think just because we want something to happen, that it will because we say so.
Actions have consequences even for us.
Things change. I’m sure many people thought exactly the same thing when Carter was President. They saw a weak President who turned on allies, supported nutters like Pol Pot and was weak and ineffective against the Soviets. Someone who lost one of our greatest allies in the Middle East, and failed against his successors.
They saw someone who counselled despair and pushed liberal ideas onto a country that didn’t want nor care for them. And they saw someone who was unwilling to stand up for America, stand up against Communism and was in fact the first President to openly start advocating for the homosexual agenda.
Reagan never apologized for what Carter did, nor did he ever let it stop him from reversing his policies, both here and across the globe. Reagan once said that freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. I would add that tyranny is also never more than one generation away from extinction.
Freedom may be on the road to extinction in America, but it can be reversed. And be reversed much more quickly than many conservatives think. One way or another, Obama won’t be here forever.
I’m sure some people back then were also contemptuous of the American people who elected Carter too. I mean, the American people who elected this weak and effusive President must be flawed too, right?
But the American people just four years later threw him out, and Carter lost in a landslide among pretty much the same electorate that had elected Carter in the first place.
Yes it can be reversed. But that does not mean everyone just accepts it and forgets/forgives overnight.
People change. faces change. Policies change. And they can change back. And back again with each election. Until America shows a pattern of elections in the same direction, no one is going to do anything but keep us at arm’s length.
And to be honest, the FIRST thing a non Dem president should do is get on TV and apologize to everyone for America’s DEMOCRATS abandoning/screwing them and for the rest of us for not fighting harder to stop them. The first step in recovery is admitting your problem.
It’s a Gaz-Tiger. They have both military version and civilian SUV. This one seems like the latter.
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