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To: lodi90
What do you think of the Russians allegedly importing more foreign nationals? That will go over with the locals. Apparently the Russians find enough local villagers and bus station drunks to fight for the glory of the Donetsk Republic.

The Ukrainian government needs to get people loyal to the Ukrainian state organized. In the typical revolution, only several % of the population are active participants, based mainly on organization, motivation and some kind of funding source, so the participants can feed their families. If that several % are secessionists funded by Putin who see Ukraine as a Russian province, it will be that much harder for the Ukrainian government to take control. Putin has agents on the ground. An organized anti-secessionist campaign that gets hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians enrolled in the east and south will deter Putin from invading. Because if he sees that Ukrainians are fired up about keeping the country whole, he will probably calculate that any initial conventional victories will be followed by a steady drip of casualties, just like Iraq, that will cost Russia large sums of money and tens of thousands of dead, not to mention overshadow his reputation as a president who revived the Russian economy (mainly because he was president during a 20-year Chinese economic boom during which Chinese motor vehicle sales went from 2m to 20m a year).

34 posted on 05/05/2014 8:46:51 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei; Ivan Mazepa

The Ukrainian government needs to get people loyal to the Ukrainian state organized.


Our FRiend Ivan can confirm but I believe the plan is to get rid of the useless Berkut and replace them with newly created regional self defense battalions. It’s just total chaos without a police force. Society breaks down.


36 posted on 05/05/2014 8:55:49 AM PDT by lodi90
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