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To: Sherman Logan; VitacoreVision; B4Ranch
"I don't think the article demonstrates it very well"

That's because it is the New American. But, they do give you a clue, they mention Ken Ivory.

The legal minds behind this include, but not limited to, Ken Ivory and Rob Natelson.

The groups behind it include, but not limited to, Montana Policy Institute, State Policy Network, ALEC, American Lands Council.

Some of the money behind it is public record but a lot of it is dark money and AFP/Koch Brothers are heavily involved.

Bundy was just a poster boy who went south on them and they had to pull the plug on him. AFP told Fox and the GOP to shut up then forced Nevada Senator Heller to walk it back, denying that he ever called Bundy a patriot and say that Bundy should pay up the money he owed BLM. Now, Bundy and the militia are back to Posse Comitatus as their only option and Clark County Sheriff Gillespie is ignoring them.

Its not just about land, but also the water.

In 1908 SCOTUS established Federal and Indian Lands Reserved Water Rights and this was expanded later by additional court decisions, so these federal land have a reserved water right, but if you convert them to state lands, those federal reserved water rights disappear.

The Colorado River states face serious problems and one of the big flashpoints is the pipeline carrying western Nevada water to Vegas. There are serious problems on the Texas Colorado River as well. The observable flows on the Colorado after the white man arrived tell one story but the tree rings and the archeologists looking at the Anastazi indians tell a different story

15 posted on 05/03/2014 9:48:20 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Thanks. What do those “reserved water rights” mean, and if the land is transferred to state ownership, who gets the water rights?

I lived out west long enough to know that water and mineral rights are often owned and sold separately from land, and can hugely impact the value of that land.


18 posted on 05/03/2014 10:03:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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