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Ukrainian army launches assault on Kramatorsk
RT ^ | 5-2-2014 | RT

Posted on 05/02/2014 3:12:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf

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To: tcrlaf
The uprising in Ukraine has nothing to do with Syria or Obama.

Putin's agent Yanukovich looted Ukraine and weakened and degraded its military leaving it defenseless against Russia's invasion.

Fortunately the Ukrainian people have risen up en masse against the Putinista traitors whose loyalty is to the Neo-Soviet Chekist Kremlin.

101 posted on 05/02/2014 10:07:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Longbow1969
Clue me in. The nukes belonged to the USSR. After the breakup, suddenly they belong to to Ukraine, how do you rationalize that. Ditto with their navy. Odd, seems no one is objecting to the fact that Russia is repossessing its’ navy in Crimea .
102 posted on 05/02/2014 10:31:07 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Longbow1969; Greetings_Puny_Humans

Just a short reply; I didn’t use the word ethnicity in my post and that was deliberate. I am not certain that ethnicity is the major fault line in Ukraine - rather a more conscious choice of russiophilia or occidentophilia. Of course history, language, customs etc make up a large part of the reasons behind the choice, but one cannot put equaility between russian speakers and russophiles (eg Julia Tymoshenko).

As to your question, I’m certain that the government supporters are most in favour of quik election. An election would give the new president a democratic mandate, and given that Crimea is “out of bounds” a win for the pro-West candidates is all but assured.


103 posted on 05/03/2014 12:39:10 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Longbow1969; Greetings_Puny_Humans
I hadn't seen this poll before but it bears out some of the things I've been arguing. As for polling under the present circumstances - fraught with severe problems at best - so take it for what it is worth:

http://www.voanews.com/content/poll-finds-ukrainians-doubt-effectiveness-of-interim-government/1904404.html

Pro-Russian agitation and estrangement from Kyiv in the east is tied closely with economic hardship and fear about job prospects, according to Rakesh Sharma, director of research at IFES. “The underlying issue is economic in nature because in the east… people were asking why should they be closer to Europe and a lot of their anxiety about association with the European Union came down to a fear that as their local economy is so tied to Russia, they will be the ones to suffer,” he said. “There was definitely an economic rationale being given,” he added.

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A majority of those polled in the east said they didn’t feel the Russian language was being discriminated against.

104 posted on 05/03/2014 1:38:55 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: familyop

drop articles to sound even more realistic..


105 posted on 05/03/2014 1:50:54 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Longbow1969; tcrlaf
Another interesting piece of information from this link:

Poll Finds Ukrainians Doubt Effectiveness of Interim Government

Blaming Yatsenyuk and his ministers for ineffectively handling the crisis in east Ukraine, a growing chorus of analysts and pro-Kyiv activists in the east are arguing the government should stop its haphazard military campaign to combat separatists.

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt added his voice to the chorus Tuesday saying at a press conference that he had advised Kyiv against the use of force to drive separatists out of more than 30 seized government buildings in nearly a dozen cities and towns in east Ukraine.

But unfortunately, by now the radicals are in power (on both sides) and the government in Kiev is threatened by even more radical forces on its home turf unless it quickly reasserts its power in the east.

Time to re-read Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France. (This is a conservative site, isn't it.)

106 posted on 05/03/2014 2:06:28 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: duckln
After the breakup, suddenly they belong to to Ukraine, how do you rationalize that

Because the Ukraine was part, however unwilling, of the USSR. Then the USSR dissolved. Every former country that was part of it wound up with much of the arsenal that was within it's borders. It's not like Russia was the USSR and everything belonged to them (though Russia was obviously the dominant partner). All the republics were part of the USSR and when the whole rotten system collapsed the Ukraine inherited the weapons, both conventional and nuclear, that were within it's borders. Most of these former republics, even to this day, are armed with Soviet era tanks, APC's, etc, that were stored within their territories when the collapse occurred.

107 posted on 05/03/2014 7:34:24 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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