Posted on 05/01/2014 9:45:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
What FEEEEELS good isn’t coming into play here.
Tattoos can spread AIDS? Maybe if you get one in the AIDS infirmary in a third world prison. Not in the US.
That doesn’t remotely answer my question. Does that guy deserve the treatment he’s now getting? If so, why, and why was it OK to overlook the tattoos when we needed these people to act as IED bait? If they were fit to serve before, why aren’t they fit to serve now?
Your ‘constitutional rights’ are limited under the military. There is no good reason why a mustache couldn’t go past the corner of your mouth in the military, but those are the rules.
Further, this rule applies to FUTURE promotions. The guy is not being demoted for the tattoos he has...but yeah, lots of tattoos can limit your upward mobility, even in the civilian world.
Heck, try getting a tattoo with the “N” word on your arm and owning an NBA team at the same time...
Right on. My tattoos had not one iota of effect on performing my duties as a grunt. And neither will this guys.
“These soldiers were told, however, that they could have tattoos and that it wouldn’t affect them.”
And they won’t - at their current rank. But at least when I was in, tattoos were very strongly discouraged amongst officers, and anyone getting a lot of them would know it could limit how high one went.
Heck, the first time I was passed over for major, the SQ/CC said it was because my official photo had a wrinkle in the sleeve, and that would indicate sloppiness to a promotion board!
Then there is no Constitution — you see, the Constitution is about limiting the government, not granting rights.
There is no good reason why a mustache couldnt go past the corner of your mouth in the military, but those are the rules.
If those were the rules you agreed to under your enlistment, then it's a matter of you violating your contract, no?
Further, this rule applies to FUTURE promotions. The guy is not being demoted for the tattoos he has...but yeah, lots of tattoos can limit your upward mobility, even in the civilian world.
Granted.
Heck, try getting a tattoo with the N word on your arm and owning an NBA team at the same time...
Nachos?
What do they have against cheese-covered chips?
If they hadn’t changed the rules, Mr Rogers, I’d have no problem with it. However, you can’t give someone permission to do something and then punish them for doing it.
Since it requires mutilation to remove these, it is not like approving of beards and then disapproving of beards.
The clear answer is to grandfather those who received tatoos during the time when it was permissible and deny them to all new recruits.
Grooming rules varied while I was in. But past actions can reduce the chance of future promotion because you have no “right” to be promoted.
They are not punishing the guy. They are not reducing his rank. But imprudent actions in the past can cause a person future problems. One of the reasons I dislike tattoos is that they are permanent, and what is considered ‘good’ today might be considered ‘bad’ tomorrow. Think about a tattoo proclaiming God, Mom & Apple Pie - it would now be considered religious bigotry, homophobic and insensitive to fat people...
I really do not want him to, but there is nothing here for him. He could potentially gain a career (not in the military). Working in a restaurant 25 hours a week in Podunk is not exactly a wonderful path. He is a great cook! lol
The policy formally changed to allow in more Soldiers when they needed cannon fodder against the hajis. That was back when I was in, and I still am.
Let's see what doctors say about it.
I looked it up on AIDS-related sites, not tattoo sites or wikis. "Possible" does not equal "has happened." It hasn't happened, so it seems a bit odd to make that your go-to factoid as to why tattoos should be banned from the military.
I'm personally far more interested in the lack of leadership characteristics that are apparently demonstrated by Soldiers with tattoos, and why they were just fine a few years ago, but now are no longer fit to serve. Does anyone here have any factoids to explain the logic of that decision?
I make an exception for males...and only two.
One that has their service insignia and one that says, “Mom”.
Yes...I think all tats look barbaric.
And don’t get me started on studs and other piercings of the body (excepting ear rings for women).
I respect you. You are a good person, and I thank you for your service. But if what you posted it true, then this passage from right next to it in Leviticus also has no current meaning from God:
"'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD."
Leviticus 18:6
Yes, but there’s a tradition of men that one applies and one does not.
I think He made Himself pretty clear. I subscribe to the "leaky boat theory." We cannot puncture just one hole in the boat, and expect all to be well. Military members can have tatoos - as they have in this country for generations. It was NEVER a good idea. Ever. On top of that, we are now far beyond the seaman who had one or two on his upper arm. Today, we have facial tatoos, and also tatoos in every part of the anatomy. Where is the line? You tell me? How about up to the eye lids? No? How about up to the forehead? No....still too much? Why? Where is the limit?
I am not a 100% sinless individual. There is much that I have to account for, and I end up messing up and going back to my Savior for forgiveness. I wanted to say that because I don't want to be a hypocrite.
This will not be solved here. Once you let just "a little" evil in, it takes a mile.
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