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To: thackney
Do you think thieves should not be punished?

Again, as I've explained, not for reasons of morality or justice but I think there's validation for the state to require reasonable payback to the victim. (The victim himself of course can also go after him in civil court.)

Would you require crimes that do require prisonment to protect society to remain in prison until a demonstrated change of heart? Would you require those who don’t remain in prison forever regardless of the crime committed?

I mean, these are good questions, the kind of questions that should be asked, considered, and debated. IMO, the issue would be the nature of the crime and the physical or pecuniary danger the criminal posed to society. If it were a crime of financial harm but no physical harm, it seems like a valid approach could be reasonable forced payback from either inside prison or outside or both, depending on the circumstances of the crime and the individual.

As I've said, the penal code/prison system and concept needs to be lifted from the dark ages. Rehab should be an important feature. All prisoners should be productive and pay their way. That right there has rehabilitative qualities. There should be enlightened, voluntary, solid, rehab programs that have a spiritual element to them. Maybe a step-by-step program where positive behavior and productivity on the inside could lead to trial runs on the outside. Something genuinely usable as a gauge for real change in an otherwise dangerous criminal. IMO, the first priority should always be protecting society and, secondly, real rehabilitation of the convict.

Christ died for our souls, our salvation, not for our time on earth.

I think the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ could and should be effectively applied in a free and civil society.

173 posted on 05/02/2014 8:56:09 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
Do you think thieves should not be punished?
Again, as I've explained, not for reasons of morality or justice but I think there's validation for the state to require reasonable payback to the victim. (The victim himself of course can also go after him in civil court.)

I do see that answering the question. There are crimes that don't leave a situation for payback.

My question: Is punishment a reasonable response by the state for crimes. I believe it is more than protecting the society. Punishment provides a deterrent against future time. Punishment of crimes is a state/society responsibility. Do you agree?

175 posted on 05/02/2014 9:23:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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