Posted on 04/25/2014 10:12:08 AM PDT by Jeff Head
On April 20, 2014, Cliven Bundy, who is at the heart of a large confrontation with the Federal Government over land and property rights and the over-reach of the Federal Government as a result of the Bundy Cattle Ranch, made some caustic comments about race in America. Most of the networks are not playing Cliven Bundy's full comments. I think it important, despite the fact that his words have understandably caused an uproar, to have the full context of what he said. So, before he talked about seeing black Americans in the project houses in Las Vegas and wondering about their abortion rates and crime rates and comparing that to their earlier history, here is how he prefaced those statements...something you will not hear from the main stream press: "I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen was civil disturbance. People were not happy, people was thinking they did not have their freedom; that they didnt have these things...and they didnt have them. So, Cliven Bundy made it clear that he was not advocating that the clock be turned back. He indicated up front that "We sure don't want to go back." But then he went on, and got controversial. After talking about seeing black Americans in government subsidized housing in Las Vegas, he said: "They were basically on government subsidy so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And Ive often wondered were they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?" Sorry, Cliven, the answer is clear. Slavery was (and is) horrible and intolerable. They were not "better," off. Perhaps Mr. Bundy does not undertsand that in slavery in the South, many (but not all) families were broken up and sold off because they were viewed as proprty. So musings about their family life is not something that can be compared in the least, or in any way be romaticized. However, that does not mean that minorities are in a "good," circumstance either. By any objective measure, the current state of affairs for black Americans, while not comparable with slavery, is, nonetheless, intolerable for almost all of them caught up in the social dependancy programs advocated and pushed by the liberal progressive politicans of the day. And there are reasons this is so, and those reasons MUST be explored. Under liberal, progressive programs, upon which the American people have spent trillions of dollars, the traditional black family (in terms of the demographics and overall percentages) has been destroyed. This is a tragedy. In the vast majority of cases, for those who get caught up in these liberal/progressive welfare programs, there is no father in the home. The government and its "payments," have taken his place. In addition, in most cases, with food, housing, and other subsidies, there is little ongoing income in the home from those who work to earn it. The abortion rate amongst their young women is indeed abhoridly high. They are litterally killing off their rising generations before they are ever born. The crime rates and the incarceration rates amongst balck youth is extrodinarily high, far above the average.
The rate for women living below the poverty level, particularly black women, is over four times that for women living above it. INCARCERATION RATES BY RACE Why are all of these things so? Mr. Bundy's question about the state of affairs for these people today, while phrased completely inappropriately, and which is now being used to completely marginalize Bundy by people who, like Harry Reid, have institutionalized criminal behavior and shady dealings, is an important question. However, the thing that really scares the progressive left, is that this question, if phrased properly, would be compelling. and it would be critical, particularly for black American, to sincerely ask themselves...and to explore all of the facts associated with it. And the left knows it, and fears it. Simply stated: Have these government subsidy programs, which have produced these abysmal conditions and demographics, and which have themselves been designed to entrap whole peoples into a dependancy cycle engineered to harvest votse...have they worked? Are the people who are living under such programs and conditions better off under such a system than they would be if they simply engaged in today's traditional American, free enterprise life style? The answer to that question is obvious and clear. The answer is a resounding NO, they are not! All one need do is look at those who have forsaken the dependancy life style and the associated programs so that they, themselves, could get into main stream America, and then compare their life styles, their families, their crime rates, their income levels to those who do not. There is no comparison...and the liberal, progressive left knows it. Black and Latino Americans: For God's Sake, Wake up ! These is are the conditions that the progressive liberals do not want discussed. They do not want it explored. Objectively exploring it would quickly become an abject indictment against their policies...and reveal them for what they are. Those policies themselves are extremely bigoted towards anyone who gets caught up in them, particularly Blacks and Latinos. They are because they pre-suppose that those people require the help of liberal progressives in order to have any chance of achieving anything in America. It presuppose that without help from them, those people would not be capable of achieving anything. Such a notion itself is bigoted and racist. Those people, who have been created by God, are capable of engagining and making something of themselves themselves, without liberal dependencies. The basic progressive liberal suppostion behind these programs is a lie. In fact, it is worse than a lie. These programs entrap people and virtually ensure that they will NEVER make anything better of themselves under the American system. They have been engineered to deny the people caught up in them participation in the American system. That's what they are designed to do, and they are desinged that way so that those people will constantly be dependent on the politicians who promise them all of these subsidies so that they will always vote for them. That is why they refer to them as "their," voting block. If discussed openly and fairly, it would reveal the dastardly, horrible...and immoral and criminal behavior...of the liberal progressives who establish such programs, and the race hustlers (like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) who support them and have gotten rich off of making a career of promoting them and attacking anyone who dares oppose them. That's the simple, direct truth. These programs are holding people down, and are set up to keep it that way. The reason is as old as this earth. It is about power. Those politicans want to always count on their "voting block," and thus perpetuate their power. While it is certainly not a physical slavery, it is insidious just the same. The fact is, you can tell by the actions of the politicans who support these programs, by their shrill opposition to any scrutiny of these things, and by their determination to squash and destroy anyone who attempts to expose this sad state of affairs, that the people promoting these programs certainly consider the blacks and the hispanics, and anyone else who fall into their clutches, to be [u]their[/u] electoral "property." And they are as committed to retaining that "ownership," and that "property," as strongly and with as much force and compulsion as any southern plantation owner ever was. In that sense, although phrased wholly inappropriatley, Cliven Bundy's question about today's state of minorities who are caught up in this cycle of dependancy, hits the mark. The progrewssive liberal politicans and hustlers will not...indeed, in their mind they cannot...tolerate it. Former supporters of Bundy in his fight against the Federal government will now be labeled as racists themselves if they continue to support anything assoiciated with Bundy. That's why many of those supporters are now shrinking away from him under that threat of a racist label. Instead, they should recognize the true issues at stake here and continue the fight against an all intrusive federal government. A government where particular agencies daily commit wanton over-reach. They should also raise the topic of the tradtional American way of life, and its focus on fundamental moral values and everyone being created equal, with equal opportunity. They should strive to inform and raise up all those caught up in this awful, paralyzing, dependancy cycle. A cycle which has been created by those liberal progressives and officials who themselves have stated that their goal is to fundamentally change the American system. It is clear that they continue to do all in the power to accomplish that goal. We must continue to stand up and defeat them. Jeff Head April 25th, 2014 Note: Here are some of the statistics that bear out the failure of these subsidy/welfare programs, and the conditions that they place people who become a part of them in:
Blacks and Latinos in America: For God's Sake, Wake up! The Obama Care Horror perpetrated on America The Abortion Holocaust in America Fast and Furious and Gun Ruinning by the US Government to Mexican Drug Cartels Benghazi and the Death of Ambassador Stevens and three other brave Americans NSA and the PRISM Program of collecting American Citizens' Personnel Data |
Then why did he say that perhaps blacks were better off under it? Sorry, but Bundy decided to go media hog and runn off on a tangent, shooting his mouth off on things totally unrelated to his own actions and his problems with the BLM. Why he would think that anyone would give a damn about what he thinks about blacks and Mexicans is beyond me. People can try and explain it away and justify it and say "what he really meant was..." all they want. All this is still self inflicted. He shot himself in the foot all on his own, and he has kept firing round after round into it ever since.
I find it funny to watch the pundits on tv as their heads explode over this...yet they don’t seem inclined in the least to even consider the validity of the pondering of Mr Bundy.
Is Black America better or worse off today?
I also find it interesting to see how the media continue to shove a microphone in front of Mr Bundy...if they truly feel he is a racist crank, then why give him air time?
The answers are obvious, of course.
This is not about race. The democrats want to make it about race because they need to mobilize the minorities to vote in the midterms. Isn’t that obvious to everyone?
Just drop the issue. Bundy needs to go away. There are people of all races living in the project houses in Las Vegas. They can’t get jobs picking cotton because the illegal aliens do it for less than the minimum wage.
Want to abolish the minimum wage? That would solve a lot of problems. Slavery is not the answer here.
No he did not. He could give the perfect response and still it would be edited to discredit him
I might rephrase —
Today’s welfare state is worse than the physical slavery of the past; it is more abhorrent and despicable.
And explain —
Today’s welfare state enslaves the mind, the morals, the motivation; one’s very soul. That is backed up by the quoted statistics.
I believe one can maintain one’s moral soul during physical slavery (Kunta Kinte, Jeremiah Denton, ...)
I have not not lessened the evil of the slavery of the past; the liberals, progressives, and race-baiters have surpassed it.
he did not say they were - he wondered if generational welfare was any better
>>Badly worded perhaps, but he didnt say anything that might be considered hateful. He made it far too easy, however, for liberals to take what he said of context and claim it is. This is something they can and do sink their teeth into and divert attention from the real issue. They are 100% behind the iron boot of government stepping all over the rights of citizens to live in this country freely. Freedom to them means freedom of government, not the people.<<
There certainly is too many FReepers who took what Bundy said out of context. They didn’t look for an audio that they could listen to and decide for themselves if what he said was offensive.
FReepers who post replies without reading the full article fit into the same box of Low Information Voters just as easily as the Dims do.
he was answering a loaded question from a reporter
nobody advocated for slavery
Because people speak in rough drafts, as they also write in rough drafts.
If Clive Bundy were to sit down and write out his thoughts, and then go back to them a few days later and edit them, and then take a third look a week later, he would likely do better expressing what is on his mind.
As would most of us.
No.
There is a HUGE uissue about race and it is being perpetrated by the leftist opposition. Not only is there nothing wrong woith pointing that out...it should be pointed out.
Amen and spot on.
I understand what Mr Bundy was trying to say,”freedom is better than Government dependance.
“Cliven Bundy, who is well into his seventies, did not articulate himself very well, and was wrong about the comparison to slavery.”
Understatement. Anyone that says “I seen ...” is not a spokesman for anything. He made some stupid statements but let’s hope he shuts his mouth long enough for us to get back to the real issue which is fed overreach.
The man is well into his seventies. He is doing all he can to defend what he views as his way of life and freedom. That is not going off "media hog."
People pointed guns at him and his family. They tazed his son, and threw his relatives to the ground.
Folks who ranch all of their lives are not what you may consider "sophisticated," but they can generally spot a ringer from a mile off, and he knows down trodden people when he sees them.
Good on him for at least standing in the breach. Would to God that we had tens of millions more willing to stand in such a fashion.
Long winded, but a good rant, to bad the low info voter can’t understand such simple thoughts.
Maybe he could blame chemtrails for his lapse in judgment.
This hysteria was supposed to happen when Harry Reid called Bundy a domestic terrorist. He didn't figure on the fact he was such a laughing stock that it wouldn't matter. So he sent a reporter to make another attack. If you open your mouth (even for a drink of water) the media can stick you foot in it; but that should be no reason for the American people to give up on the God given right of free speech.
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