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To: GIdget2004
None of this has any bearing on what we all witnessed last week where an out of control, militarized federal government brought their storm troopers to “protect” a freaking turtle and steal an old man’s cows.
2 posted on 04/24/2014 9:31:10 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

No it doesn’t. I wonder who put the bug in Beck’s ear to abandon this man.


21 posted on 04/24/2014 9:44:05 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: ponygirl

First of all, I realized a long time ago that I’d have to be unhinged to continue to listen to Beck.

Last night I was watching a Civil War documentary and following the emancipation proclamation Sherman said Blacks should be freed but not equal.

Third, I have a relative who fought for Civil Rights for more than 50 years. He spent his entire career trying to help blacks. I asked him what the solution is for the problem blacks face today. I was shocked when he said “Segregation”.

Fourth, even racists have constitutional rights.

Take it all anyway you want it.


49 posted on 04/24/2014 9:57:12 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: ponygirl
If one listens to Mr. bundy for more than 5 minutes you can tell he is really poorly spoken. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. He should have stuck to complaining about the plight of western ranchers.

That being said, if framed into tighter better stated context, Bundy isn't far off. Under slavery, slaves were exploited for manual labor to make their masters rich. A totally evil practice for which this country still pays a price. Under the "great society" we foster a system that exploits the worst traits of human nature, builds a cycle of poverty, and has destroyed the family structure of many of those who were supposed to benefit from that system.

Instead of a slave master, it is liberal politicians that benefit from keeping those people in poverty. For black Americans this means voting for the same party that tried to preserve slavery, instituted Jim Crow and segregation laws, and now intitutionalizes the cycle of poverty. The effects of this are not isolated to black Americans. Welfare's promise of equal in-opportunity is true and the government has shackles for all types of people.

55 posted on 04/24/2014 10:00:55 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ponygirl

I read some of what the NYT has written about Bundy’s own words and think it would be better for him to shut up despite the fact that he can say whatever he wants. He’s hurting his case in the court of public opinion....not that it should matter.

This doesn’t change what the BLM is doing - what this entire fascist administration is doing.


96 posted on 04/24/2014 10:34:45 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: ponygirl

Exactly, who among us actually supported Davie Koresh’s cult but it didn’t mean that he and his supporters should be murdered.

It is not okay to do anything illegal to anyone because you don’t support their beliefs or opinions.

I have always suspected Beck as someone riding coattails to make money only, not to really make any difference and I do believe that maybe the Mormons in charge came down on him and told him which side he could be on in this fight.


116 posted on 04/24/2014 10:59:10 AM PDT by tiki
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To: ponygirl

The governments actions to enforce a court order with snipers etc were completely out of line, however Bundy was in the wrong to refuse to obey the law in the first place and is clearly a nutter.

Why people hitched their wagons to him is beyond me.


126 posted on 04/24/2014 11:15:05 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Lynn Melton... I believe in smaller government, I love my guns, I hate Obama, I hate liberals, I’m anti abortion, pro America, God is awesome, pay your bills, everyone should pay their taxes, taxes are way too high, pro school vouchers, guard the borders, defend our country, it’s our duty to help the poor and downtrodden, however welfare is bleeding our country dry, and I looooove apple pie... And a bunch of other things that similarly represent my values! My values do not represent the defense of a rancher who has essentially been using land and not paying for it under agreement he signed! While I believe our government is bloated and power hungry, I do not believe these agents were sent to kill anyone, they were there to evict someone off of land that he has refused to pay for, and refused to move his cows off of! Ask anyone in law enforcement if they ever had to remove or evict people from premises before! Just because he shows up with a gun... Does not mean he is going in with excessive force, or going to shoot anyone! They will also tell you that if it’s known that if the person being evicted issued threats of use of force If the cops try to remove him... They will tell you that law enforcement will show up with overwhelming back up as a show of “shock and awe” this extra back up is to send a clear message to the person not to try anything! Understand? Bundy has a ranch that has 140? 160 acres? He has over 1000 head of cattle, this means I’d guess he had 15? maybe 20 ranch hands willing to help their boss defend the land he’s squatting on, his entire family lives on the ranch as well, then he had militia that joined the fight and neighbors and friends... So let’s say, in the beginning he only had 130 or so people by his side ready to engage in a “range war” that bundy threatened if enforcement tried to evict him, vs the 200 BLM agents and FBI. ! I’m sure they will tell you that with the threats of this magnitude with 130 people ready to fight... You’re gonna show up with plenty of back up to show that shock and awe, with 160 acres, you might even bring in a helicopter so you can have an aerial view of the land so you can direct your agents on the ground for their safety! This whole excessive force thing is really lame, and really makes me question your conservative values in bad mouthing the agents, but not questioning a rancher for not paying him million dollar fee/tax! You guys defending this guy like you are really makes it hard to point out John Kerry not paying his $400,000 tax on his boat he didn’t pay! Y’all really need to pull it together guys! You’re risking all our conservator values so you can be right about something you know is not! There will be a day when we will have an uprising and fight the government, but when that fight comes? I want to hold my head up and fight/live/die proudly! How bout you?


170 posted on 04/24/2014 6:55:16 PM PDT by Ibnerdy
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