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To: Vince Ferrer; FlingWingFlyer; MeshugeMikey; goodnesswins; sickoflibs; Shadowstrike; clearcarbon; ...

On the map linked below mouse over the colored points and the LMP is the power price per MW. The different colors reflect different prices and also represent “binding constraints” which are bottlenecks on the grid for reasons like power lines down or transformer problems.

Even though this is MISO, which represents MidUS, you can mouse over various colored points in the eastern US from Canada down to Florida.

https://www.misoenergy.org/LMPContourMap/MISO_All.html

At the time of this post power was about $200 MW from the Dakotas to the east coast and down to OK and TN! (That is equal $.20 per KW!)

I watched the entire eastern US grid at max capacity many times this winter. I’ve wondered if shutting down so many coal plants in the east is part of the reason. Many utilities chose to shut down coal plants instead of try and meet the new mercury and NOx control EPA mandates. The average customer doesn’t have a clue what is going on behind the light switch and blames the utilities for rising power prices.

Artificially raise the price of energy and you will kill the economy - no way around it.

MISO real time and predicted wind power; https://www.misoenergy.org/MarketsOperations/RealTimeMarketData/Pages/DayAheadWindForecast.aspx

I pinged everyone on this thread because most people don’t know real time information on the grid is on the web.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 6:52:35 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

“Many utilities chose to shut down coal plants instead of try and meet the new mercury and NOx control EPA mandates. The average customer doesn’t have a clue what is going on behind the light switch and blames the utilities for rising power prices.

Artificially raise the price of energy and you will kill the economy - no way around it.”
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I agree on loss of coal plants. I wonder how the KY, WV, and other coal states feel about this now after believing the ding dong promises.

As for the economy...what economy? This economy has been in the toilet for a long time and does not look like it is going to get any better. NO JOBS = NO GROCERIES, NO ELECTRIC BILL PAID, NO GAS FOR CARS, AND NO HOPE.

I feel so sorry for those who are working part time or have to pay for Obama Care because their full time job w/ benefits is gone.

A small example of what those people are dealing with, I experienced today;
I bought about $20.00 worth of groceries, just basics, one bag and a gallon of milk. I was stunned that eggs had gone up from $1.39 a doz last week to $1.69 this week and that was at Aldi’s, the cheapest place to shop in our area with decent product. Mostly way over $2-3 other places.

NOW that’s sad when a German company has eggs so much less than any American company. Granted Aldi’s is out of Illinois, but the company is, I’m told, German. So the eggs are no doubt American layed...yet less expensive than anywhere else. I won’t buy meat there due to the carbon dioxide in some packaging. I buy at a higher cost at a local butcher. Others cannot afford to do that. We use only a small amount of red meat, mostly chicken, fish, and vegetables or salads.

The last few weeks gas has gone up 30-40 cents a gallon in my area...then beef 30%...so those inflation prices are starting to add up. Those people who only have a small amount to spend are getting less and less for their available dollars. Now with the threats against preppers, and the fact that they are calling them terrorists and plan to seize their supplies in some states is showing a real communist agenda, no longer hidden or even deceptive about it.
People are going to reach that point of anger that will jeapordize everyone soon, and it appears that is the plan. The discussions here are becoming prophecy and I expect by 2016 we will see the ramifications big time.


22 posted on 04/24/2014 10:00:08 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: dynoman

Oh and lastly...thank you for the info included in your reply.


23 posted on 04/24/2014 10:02:06 AM PDT by Kackikat
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