Posted on 04/23/2014 4:10:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
A Convention of States to propose amendments (COS) is NOT a "constitutional convention". PERIOD!
The stench emanating from many of the AZ politicians really fouls our otherwise pristine air and sky. We will have our own “Earth Day” next election.
As per my rants that Sarah Palin should also consider pushing for patriots and former Obama supporters to try to win 2/3 “conservative” control of both Houses of Congress in 2014 elections to override presidential vetoes, please note the following. 2/3 control of both Houses is also what it takes for Congress to propose an amendment to the states.
So regardless of her approach to having the states initiate a Con-Con, I’m curious as to why Sarah isn’t trying to work both options of the Constitution’s Article V for proposing an amendment to the Constitution to the states.
Article V ping.
Lol...the ignorant will still argue your valid point :)
I don’t understand why a state senator would oppose a measure that would increase his influence, and that of his state, in congress.
One possibility is ignorance. Another is fear. A third is corruption.
She may be. You almost have to given the requirements for ratification of proposed amendments.
Even though two thirds of both houses can vote an amendment out and two thirds of the several states are required before a Convention Of States can convene, it takes a three quarter's majority for ratification in either process; of the state houses for something voted out of Congress and of the delegates at a Convention.
Recognition that the Congressional path would never in a Trillion years lead to amendments that lead to less power of the body responsible for that path. Amendments like term limits and %-revenue to government of GDP would only be proposed by the states themselves.
I agree with you to an extent. But if Palin can rally patriots and former Obama supporters to elect a "conservative" supermajority to Congress in 2014, then new conservative lawmakers might be inclined to address possible new amendments to the Constitution.
It’s the third option.
It’s the only one that makes sense.
a fourth is he is a socialist
Great point. Both paths should be pursued.
I think that is statistically impossible.
There are currently 45 Republicans in the Senate and 21 contested current Democrat seats in the 2014 election.
........I don’t know the answer to your question conclusively but I “think” that so called “experts” think it is impossible in the Senate.
As best I can relate from my SCF Battleground Map, 21 Dim seats are up in play and 14 pubs are for a total of 35. 5 dims are retiring. 2 pubs are retiring. The 5 dims retiring are in Iowa, Montana, Michigan, South Dakota and West Virginia. This is highly relevant because incumbency advantages go away in those 5 seats. Can the pubs flip those 5 to the GOP? I don’t know. Of the remaining dim incumbency seats of 16, it’s gonna be tough.
So, the question simply is can the pubs win 22 of the 35 seats in play in 2014 and show up with a 67 vote majority?
If they did, and all 22 rookies had some spine (unlikely), the dynamics of impeachment change dramatically overnight IF the house can get it’s pub count up to 289 votes for a 2/3 vote in that chamber assuming every single new pubbie WOULD vote for impeachment (again, unlikely).
Plus, I think Boehner has to go anywhere before ANYTHING conservatives like starts happening. Even if Boehner had a 2/3 vote in the house I question if he has the cahonies to use it. More pointedly, I think he has just sold his soul to big business, period. We have yet another saying in Texas and it is “he (Boehner) could F up an anvil with a rubber hammer”.
.........I dont know the answer to your question conclusively but I think that so called experts think it is impossible in the Senate.
I'm not talking about Democrats or Republicans per se. I'm talking about politicians who will do anything to stay in office, including support repeal of Obamacare Democratcare with a presidential veto override.
And speaking of Democratcare, are you freepers aware that, regardless what activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of Democratcare, the Supreme Court had previously clarified the following. The states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for public healthcare purposes.
State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress. (emphases added) Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
If Sarah started talking about how the Supremes caved into Obama on Democratcare, "conservatives" winning supermajority control of Congress in 2014 elections might possibly turn out to be the easier way to possibly amend the Constitution.
I hope you are right on all counts!
In the first place, no one is proposing a call for a "con-con"... see Post 2... and also see the Constitution. Nowhere does it provide for another Constitutional Convention. As a matter of fact, language that would have allowed for another constitutional convention was refused four times by the Founders before they settled on the 143 words that now comprise Article V.
And in the second place, how do you know that she isn't?
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