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How (Not) to Date a Fossil (article)
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 4-21-2014 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 04/21/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by fishtank

How (Not) to Date a Fossil by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

Do rocks and fossils hold clues that demand millions-of-years? Not the fossils from China's Daohugou beds. On the contrary, their clues speak to more recent origins.

Accessible from several outcrops northeast of Beijing, fossil hunters have been unpacking a trove over the last few decades, including some of the best-preserved insect and other arthropod fossils, as well as both familiar and unfamiliar vertebrate fossils.

When were they deposited? Authors of an extensive review of Daohugou vertebrate fossils, published in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, wrote, "Following the discovery of this locality, conflicting opinions rapidly emerged as to the age and correlative relationships of the Daohugou strata."1

The study authors cited peer-reviewed reports that assigned Daohugou layers to Middle Jurassic, Upper Jurassic, and even Lower Cretaceous—a span of about 40 million years in conventional thinking. If these fossils contain clear clues about when they were deposited, then why would researchers propose these conflicting opinions on their ages?

The main technique used to assign ages to these layers involves correlating similar-looking fossils. It works on the assumption that the fossilized creature that is used to date the layer in which it is found lived during a particular evolutionary time frame. In other words, the method assumes millions of years of evolution before any dating assignments are even attempted. It also assumes that similar fossils found elsewhere are of the same evolutionary age, even if they are on separate continents.

However, many Daohugou fossils span multiple layers. Thus, the same creature survived unchanged for millions of years—assuming each layer represents such vast time spans—erasing these fossils' usefulness as time indexes.

The study authors may have unwittingly made this point when they admitted that certain fossils "might be expected to persist for considerable spans of geologic time."2

But couldn't this logic explain away any fossil-based age assignment?

This admission should nullify the whole method, since any index fossil might have lived before or after its fossil occurrence, but researchers insist on moving forward, selecting arguments and fossils that best fit their preconceptions.

In another example from the same report, the team described how certain plant and insect fossils correlated with the wrong layers. They wrote, "However, even brief survival of some plant and invertebrate taxa regarded as Middle Jurassic index fossils into the Late Jurassic in northeast China would be sufficient to resolve this apparent contradiction."1

In this case, the authors "solved" the contradiction by imagining—without fossil evidence—that ancient creatures failed to evolve for millions of years. Dating fossils with fossils seems quite subjective.

Their report has several more examples of fossil finagling. Its authors seem to struggle to force the evidence into an evolutionary time scheme, such as a salamander fossil (which the Daohugou beds are famous for) called Liaoxitriton. According to the Journal, this fossil looks like the "modern salamander clade Hynobiidae." If very little change has occurred between the fossil and its living counterpart, then it also stands to reason that very little time has elapsed since the day it was fossilized.

Thus, "The presence of Liaoxitritonat both Daohugou and the [supposedly millions of years younger] Yixian Formation locality of Shuikouzi implies that these sites must be reasonably close in age, unless Liaoxitritonis a rather long lived genus."1

Who knows how long the salamander lived as a supposedly unchanged genus unless one first knows the ages of the layers in which it is found? And who can know the ages until one first knows how long the creature lived?

Do the problems that secular researchers encounter when assigning ages to fossils stem from a lack of clear clues, or from the faulty reasoning inherent in the method itself?

Apparently, evolutionary thinking blinds its proponents from even considering clues that confound their worldview, like original tissues still inside un-mineralized fossils. The Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology report's press release even displays a Daohugou feathered bird's original bone material and soft tissues that reflect UV light differently than the surrounding mudrock.3 The idea that such biological material—portions of intact soft tissue—can last for even one million years, let alone 160 million, stretches credulity way past the breaking point.4

Do the fossil plants, insects, salmanders, birds, mammals—including one that resembles a flying squirrel and another that resembles an otter with a scaly tail—and other reptiles like pterosaurs and dinosaurs in the Daohugou sediments require millions of years to form? Not at all. They make much better sense as deposits from Noah's Flood. Clearly, some muddy calamity swallowed all these different creatures and preserved them together—a feat that everyday processes simply don't perform.

In this context, a rock layer does not represent "a window on life," as the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology's press report said, but instead a window on death by watery cataclysm.3

References

Sullivan, C. et al. 2014. The vertebrates of the Jurassic Daohugou Biota of northeastern China. Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology. 34 (2): 243-280. Their quote in context, from ref. 1: "Vertebrate paleontologists have sometimes argued that the vertebrate assemblage preserved at the Daohugou locality resembles Late Jurassic and Early Cretaceous rather than Middle Jurassic equivalents, supporting the inference that the Daohugou strata are relatively young. However, these vertebrate-based correlations are not persuasive because they involve supraspecific, and in almost all cases even suprageneric, taxa [life forms] that might be expected to persist for considerable spans of geologic time." Prequel Outshines the Original: Exceptional Fossil of 160 Million Year Old Doahugou [sic] Biota. Society of Vertebrate Paleontology Press Release, posted on vertpaleo.org accessed March 24, 2014.

Thomas, B. A Review of Original Tissue Fossils and Their Age Implications. In M. Horstemeyer, ed., 2013, Proceedings of the Seventh International Conference on Creationism, Pittsburgh, PA: Creation Science Fellowship.

Image credit: Copyright © 2014 The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology. Adapted for use in accordance with federal copyright (fair use doctrine) law. Usage by ICR does not imply endorsement of copyright holders.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.

Article posted on April 21, 2014.

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"Apparently, evolutionary thinking blinds its proponents from even considering clues that confound their worldview, like original tissues still inside un-mineralized fossils. The Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology report's press release even displays a Daohugou feathered bird's original bone material and soft tissues that reflect UV light differently than the surrounding mudrock.3 The idea that such biological material—portions of intact soft tissue—can last for even one million years, let alone 160 million, stretches credulity way past the breaking point.4"

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1 posted on 04/21/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by fishtank
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2 posted on 04/21/2014 8:27:15 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Here I thought this was some sort of eHarmony kind of article.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 8:29:18 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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You’re not talking about Cougars, are you?


4 posted on 04/21/2014 8:30:04 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: fishtank

Slick wants to know if a fossil is anything like a mummy.

5 posted on 04/21/2014 8:31:33 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Psalm 144

Yep, I thought that too. The title made it sound like an article from a woman’s magazine, warning women about getting involved with certain types of men.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 8:32:36 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ping


7 posted on 04/21/2014 8:32:59 AM PDT by Daffynition (I stand with the Bundy Family!)
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How (Not) to Date a Fossil (article)

Easy. Just say NO if I ask.

8 posted on 04/21/2014 8:33:53 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: fishtank

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Does anyone need any extra convincing to not date this fossil?
9 posted on 04/21/2014 8:35:36 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: fishtank

I thought this article was going to be on avoiding going out with old men.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 8:37:10 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: fishtank

I don’t know about you guys, but if something happened to my wife, I would not mind some twenty-something gal dating me!!


11 posted on 04/21/2014 8:42:11 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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Similar to evolutionary scientists finding gelatinous heme in the marrow of a partially permineralized t-rex bone. Rather than saying, “Wait a minute, gelatinous heme can’t survive for 65 million years!” they instead say “Under certain conditions, gelatinous heme can survive for 65 million years.” That’s faith, not science.

Same with their belief that a stupendously complex “simple” single-celled organism can form itself from its chemical elements. Darwin ignorantly believed such cells were simple blobs of protoplasm. We know better now, and yet they cling faithfully to this fiction that they THINK/HOPE evades the Judge and Judgment.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 8:42:35 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: fishtank

Bookmarked


13 posted on 04/21/2014 8:43:00 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: fishtank

14 posted on 04/21/2014 8:45:25 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: fishtank

How old is this one?

6000.

And this one?

6000,

How about this one?

6000.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 8:55:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: fishtank

Don’t ask her out in the first place!

Ba-dum-bum!

Thank you, I’ll be here all week- try the veal.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 8:56:03 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: afsnco

“Same with their belief that a stupendously complex “simple” single-celled organism can form itself from its chemical elements. Darwin ignorantly believed such cells were simple blobs of protoplasm. “

afsnco is ignorant of Darwin’s beliefs.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 9:10:02 AM PDT by TexasGator
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RE :”afsnco is ignorant of Darwin’s beliefs.”

AFSNO ?? What is that?

18 posted on 04/21/2014 9:14:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: afsnco

“Rather than saying, “Wait a minute, gelatinous heme can’t survive for 65 million years!” they instead say “Under certain conditions, gelatinous heme can survive for 65 million years.” That’s faith, not science.”

No, that’s observation. Faith would be continuing to espouse something ‘true’ with either no evidence or in spite of contradictory evidence.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 9:16:57 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: fishtank

I had a feeling I was going to see that picture if I clicked on the thread.

I must be psychic.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 9:19:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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