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Italian court rules that Tuscan city must accept gay ‘marriage’ contracted in New York
Life Site News ^ | April 16, 2014 | HILARY WHITE

Posted on 04/16/2014 2:59:22 PM PDT by NYer

ROME, April 16, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A court in the Tuscan city of Grosseto has ordered the city council to accept the “marriage” of two men, the first time such a union has been given juridical recognition in Italy.

Giancarlo Cerrelli, vice president of the Catholic Lawyer’s Guild, says the ruling is a “creative judgment that takes no account of the Civil Code and the jurisprudence of the European Union.”

Two homosexual men, Giuseppe Chigiotti and Stefano Bucci, contracted a legal “marriage” ceremony in New York in December last year, then returned to Italy and filed a suit against the town of Grosseto in an attempt to force the issue through the courts. The method has been highly successful in most jurisdictions around the western world, where courts in Canada, the US, Britain, Australia, and across Europe have been used by homosexual activists to overturn laws defining natural marriage.

Despite what some media outlets have claimed, however, both legal experts and homosexual activists recognize that the ruling in itself does not change the law.

“Now it’s up to the mayors who believe in equality to give a result to this ruling,” Arcigay, the country’s leading homosexualist lobby group said in a press statement.

A statement from the office of the mayor of Grosseto, Emilio Bonifazi, said, “We are aware of the importance of this decision, that allows us to overcome the obstacles and difficulties that have emerged so far due to the lack of clear rules that must be followed. The City chose not to oppose the appeal filed by the couple after the rejection of our offices. We will adjust immediately to the decisions of the court without any opposition.”

The chief prosecutor of Grosseto, Francesco Verusio, however, has already said his office will appeal. “There is a judgment of the Supreme Court which clearly says that you cannot do this,” Verusio said. “We are working on the grounds for challenging the judgment of the Court.”

The Grosseto judge wrote, “A marriage between persons of the same sex celebrated abroad is not contrary to public policy.”

But Italy clearly defines marriage in both the constitution and the civil code. Article 29 of the Constitution defines the family as a “natural society founded on marriage.” Article 143 of the Civil Code on the “rights and reciprocal duties of the spouses” identifies these as a “husband” and “wife.”

“There are some insuperable limits that a judge can not cross,” Cerrelli of the Catholic Lawyers’ Guild said. “There is no obligation to Italy to recognize a couple who has entered into a marriage abroad.”

Cerrelli pointed to case law at the European Court of Human Rights that has found member states are under no obligation to recognize same-sex “marriages” contracted in other countries. Last week’s Tuscan court ruling made reference to ECHR rulings as well as a decision by the Italian Supreme Court, but Cerrelli said that in both cases, the decisions cited included the recognition that there is no legal provision in Italy for same-sex “marriage.”

“The ECHR is not an organ of the European Union and therefore its judgments are not immediately binding on the courts of the Member States,” Cerrelli told Tempi.it.

“The ECHR recognizes same-sex marriage, but that does not mean that Italy should do it.” He added that the Constitutional Court of Italy, in its order 138 of 15 April 2010, ruled that the Italian “discipline of marriage postulates the diversity of sex between husband and wife, a ‘consolidation of an extremely ancient [ultramillenaria] notion of matrimony’.”

He quoted the European Convention of Human Rights, which says, “Men and women of full age have the right to marry and to found a family according to the national laws governing the exercise of this right.” He added that the current pressure for member states to accept “gay marriage” is merely a current trend in European judicial circles to interpret other articles of the Convention as including homosexual partnerings.

Cerrelli noted that the European Court of Justice, based in Luxembourg, stated in a April 25, 2013 judgment that the term “marriage” means “a union between two people of different sexes that is not comparable to other forms of unions, and that any difference in treatment must be addressed and resolved at the level of individual rights.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; grosseto; homosexualagenda; italy; tuscan
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1 posted on 04/16/2014 2:59:22 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Giancarlo Cerrelli, vice president of the Catholic Lawyer’s Guild, says the ruling is a “creative judgment that takes no account of the Civil Code and the jurisprudence of the European Union.”

Ping!

2 posted on 04/16/2014 2:59:57 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Contracted a legal marriage ... (*spit*).


3 posted on 04/16/2014 3:02:59 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: NYer

Yes, governments must recognize diseases contracted in foreign lands in order to eradicate them.


4 posted on 04/16/2014 3:06:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: NYer

To put this in perspective, if you are a heterosexual couple married in Sweden, and later move to the US, would it not be rational to expect the US government to recognize that you are legally married? Do you really think that the US government should force you to marry again? I oppose gay marriage, but a legal marriage is a legal marriage, and has to be recognized across state and international borders.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 3:29:03 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Marriage to a dog? Marriage to a 9 year old -we should recognize them as legal if they were legal in another country?

No way


6 posted on 04/16/2014 3:32:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

You could not be more wrong. If you really do oppose “gay marriage”, you would never advocate its legal recognition.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 3:33:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GeronL
"Marriage to a dog? Marriage to a 9 year old -we should recognize them as legal if they were legal in another country?"

Yeah, we would have to recognize those marriages. However, both cases would be problematical. We might have to accept the marriage of the 9-year-old even as we punished what would be - under our laws - illegal sex with a minor. And the person married to the dog could be punished for bestiality even if it was a legal marriage in the country of origin. I know it sounds ridiculous, but you are the one who raised the ridiculous example of the person marrying the dog.
8 posted on 04/16/2014 3:38:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: trisham
"You could not be more wrong. If you really do oppose “gay marriage”, you would never advocate its legal recognition."

I do oppose gay marriage, but where it has been deemed legal, it must be recognized, and marriage law - even in the states - is subject to the "full faith and credit" principle of the Constitution, in which states must recognize the duly enacted laws of other states. A person married at 17 in Nevada is still legally married if he/she moves to a state with a higher legal age for marriage. That is one reason WHY people got married in Nevada - to circumvent the marriage laws of their own state.
9 posted on 04/16/2014 3:44:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NYer

Two salami’s does not a paninni make. The whole world has gone ingaysane.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 3:46:55 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Not surprisingly, your perspective appears to mirror that of Lou’s:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3145165/posts?page=103#103


11 posted on 04/16/2014 3:48:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Bestiality is legal in some states. - probably never thought to outlaw it


12 posted on 04/16/2014 3:49:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: trisham
"You could not be more wrong. If you really do oppose “gay marriage”, you would never advocate its legal recognition."

I am not a lawyer, but - correct me if I am wrong - states must recognize - under the Constitution - contracts legally undertaken in other states.
13 posted on 04/16/2014 3:50:44 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

You are following in lockstep with our current administration. Congratulations.


14 posted on 04/16/2014 3:53:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
"Not surprisingly, your perspective appears to mirror that of Lou’s:"

I don't know who Lou is/was, but if you are lobbying to get me banned, it is out of my hands. This is not my site and the owners can do as they please. But I am a constitutionalist, and my reading of the Constitution is that legal marriages in one state must be recognized in other states that might have differing marriage requirements. There is nothing new about this. Gay marriage is new, but the Constitution still applies, whether we like it or not. It would be very unfortunate if I was banned from this site for (1) opposing gay marriage; and (2) supporting the Constitution. But maybe that is how you would have it.
15 posted on 04/16/2014 3:56:57 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: trisham
"You are following in lockstep with our current administration. Congratulations."

If you keep lying about me, I will report YOU to the mods.
16 posted on 04/16/2014 3:58:49 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

Please do. I welcome their contribution to this conversation.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 4:06:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

If I were lobbying to get you banned, I would have done much more than you have.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 4:07:43 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GeronL

Of course we should. We must not be analphobic. If a man has a loving, feces-based relationship, who shall cast the first stone? Who are we to judge?


19 posted on 04/16/2014 4:21:32 PM PDT by heye2monn (MO)
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To: heye2monn

Lol


20 posted on 04/16/2014 4:24:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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