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LUCAS: I hope I'm wrong but historians may look back and say this was the start of World War III
Daily Mail ^ | 04/15/2014 | Edward Lucas

Posted on 04/16/2014 9:54:36 AM PDT by Siegfried X

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1 posted on 04/16/2014 9:54:36 AM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Siegfried X

When I started getting REALLY concerned was when I realized they are moving past Crimea in to Ukraine. It’s like Crimea is Austria and Ukraine is Poland in WWII.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 9:57:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Siegfried X

Refusing to recognize the lessons of history always leads to catastrophe.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 9:59:30 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Siegfried X

Bullies take what they can until someone bloodies their nose.

Will anyone take a poke at Puti?

No.

Ukraine goes to Russia.

Who is next?


4 posted on 04/16/2014 10:05:21 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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'Or we can mount a last-ditch attempt to deter Russia from furthering its imperial ambitions'

If Russia has these grand imperial ambitions why did Putin wait until a Western backed coup over threw the government in Ukraine before "conquering" Crimea? Why did they not act before the Soros coup?

5 posted on 04/16/2014 10:06:03 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Siegfried X

More from the author of this article:

Meanwhile, our once ‘special ­relationship’ with America was tested by our ­failure to support Obama over intervention in Syria.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605578/Edward-Lucas-I-hope-Im-wrong-historians-look-say-start-World-War-III.html#ixzz2z4PbJBne


7 posted on 04/16/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by jimbo123
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'Vladimir Putin is striking at the heart of the West'

In what nuthouse is the Ukraine "the heart of the West"?

8 posted on 04/16/2014 10:10:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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'Vladimir Putin is striking at the heart of the West'

In what nuthouse is the Ukraine "the heart of the West"?

9 posted on 04/16/2014 10:11:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Siegfried X

I disagree. For this to mean WW3, the west would need to actually DO something. Putin is playing this brilliantly. He’s put Ukraine in a box: stand by and allow me to slice off parts of your country as I choose, or resist and give me the excuse I need to invade. Either way the Ukes lose. Putin also knows Obama will do nothing (and I’m not saying he should, unless and until the Ukes defend themselves, why should anyone come to their aid?) and the Brits will do less than nothing if the US doesn’t. The Brits and French were pretty brave in Libya, content to let Obama lead from behind. That’s not about to happen again against a real-live military. US foreign policy is a joke. Putin neither respects nor fears Obama, he laughs after he hangs up the phone after an Obama call. After Putin finishes with Ukraine, all he needs to do is use the same script against Estonia, an actual NATO member, then stand and watch as NATO does nothing and winds up on the ash heap of history.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 10:13:11 AM PDT by wny
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To: Siegfried X

It appears at first glance that the majority if the people of Crimea and the whole Ukrane like being Russian and want to go back into the fold.

This is not Czechoslovakia or Poland This is more like Austria.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 10:13:26 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Jim Noble

In what nuthouse is the Ukraine “the heart of the West”?

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In Occupy Terra circles, the WORLD is the ‘heart of the West’.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 10:14:44 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Siegfried X

WW3 was 1946-1991. It was called the Cold War,and America lost almost 100,000 fighting men and women in that era.

WW4 is the War on Terror, started 2001 through the present. It is global, and we have lost thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan, and thousands here in America.

WW5 is the number of the next global conflict.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 10:16:04 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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This will not be the start of WWIII because the West will simply walk away from Ukraine the way it walked away from Syria and Crimea. Obama will do nothing. There is no more American leadership since Obama took office and Europe would never do anything.

I'm not saying we should be all engaged, but at this point Putin knows he basically has free reign to do what he wants. He go slow and be somewhat gently in the process, but make no mistake, he do whatever he wants, and he'll get away with it.

14 posted on 04/16/2014 10:17:04 AM PDT by Obadiah (I like Krabby Patties.)
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To: Siegfried X

We have a very weak sister in soetoro’s acting at leadership regardless of how staunch an islamist he is. With political attrition from the top combined with the effects of a de-Christianized, homosexualized, civic affairs military, I am not convinced we can wield the combat capability we once could.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 10:17:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Jackals and hyenas wait until their prey is confused, wounded or dying.


16 posted on 04/16/2014 10:21:26 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Siegfried X

The comment made by Obama about flexibility makes me think his actions are all about aiding and abetting Putin, with a wink,wink,nod,nod about opposing him.

This is all kabuki theater, with Obama greasing the skids for Putin’s actions.

If we were really going to do something, we would have done it by now.

The whole notion that Obama is calling Putin by phone and reaming him a new one is fantasy. Obama is calling Putin and asking him if Obama is doing a good enough job.

And someone please tell that old fart from Arizona, Juan McCrazy, to sit down and STFU.

There is no end to his treachery against this country.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 10:22:56 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I’ll be a monkey’s uncle if Kiev goes to Russia. If Russian-language oblasts don’t want to be part of the EUkraine, I’m not surprised. But Russia can’t politically or economically handle a restive Kiev, and Putin’s no fool.

With the United States toppling nation after nation under Obama (Egypt, Libya, Ukraine, etc.), I’m not pointing fingers at Putin.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 10:24:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Uncle Miltie

... and anyone who calls Donestk “the heart of the West” is a moron and a jackass.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 10:24:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Don Corleone

And one of the lessons of history is that every border conflict is not the Sudetenland. Call me back when Putin calls for the elimination of the Jewish race.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 10:26:32 AM PDT by dangus
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