[katwoman5779]

Insurrection is just what the government wants. Then it will have no choice but to use force. It will be the fault of the insurrectionists. Beck is right. The fight needs to be an intellectual fight. The people cannot win a fight with force. And the government know this.

[Chuckster]

This is no place for common sense.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Insurrection is just what the government wants. Then it will have no choice but to use force. It will be the fault of the insurrectionists. Beck is right. The fight needs to be an intellectual fight. The people cannot win a fight with force. And the government know this."

I think one of the goals of the left is to deliberately provoke right-wing violence through their incremental subversion of the Constitution and civil liberties. The cutting edge of left-wing activism right now is the gay rights movement because they think they can isolate Christians from the rest of society, particularly moderate independents who aren't particularly for gay marriage but are not adamantly against it. The left is coming close to overplaying its hand on this issue.

Which brings me to the Bundy ranch problem. Here, it is the right that is overplaying its hand and making a poster boy of a guy who cannot be portrayed as an unambiguously innocent victim. Even many on this thread concede he has broken the law, so why make him our cause celebre?

As for the government's show of force, I think THAT - not Bundy in particular - is the issue we should focus on: the increasing tendency of local, state, and federal law enforcement to turn everything into a SWAT exercise with spooky overkill, a show of force grossly inappropriate to the threat. Average Americans CAN identify with that, but not if the government is confronted with an armed civilian posse which might make that show of force seem legitimate.

And I am not saying that the day for an armed civilian posse will never come, but that now is not the time.

[Misterioso]

28 posts and then comes a rational one.

[GladesGuru]

“The people cannot win a fight with force. And the government know this.”

True when one is in the open, like the Nevada desert.

Not so true when asymmetric warfare is the issue.

Gubment is worried about scenarios such as were the basis of novels like Enemies Foreign and Domestic and Unintended Consequences.

[Antoninus II]

The people cannot win a fight with force.

I strongly disagree!