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To: tcrlaf
You keep making the same mistake, confusing an honest appraisal of the facts as known, as “supporting Putin”

Honest appraisals it ain't, if you're referring to the same Kremlin sourses (RT, RIA, Itar-Tass). How about adding Ukrainian KyivPost or EuromaidanPR to expand your horizons.

This was your beauty from yesterday:
The coup government, on the other hand, can only rely on a few forces in the western part of the country, and their version of the skinheads. They can’t project influence much beyond Kiev. Ukraine is even more lawless now, than it was before, which isn’t helping. Kiev is losing control over events, badly.

This is not accurate either. Ukraine's living through very hard times but it's nowhere near the hopelessness you present here. More than a week ago when the Russians started storming the administrative buildings, three regional centers were taken, Kharkiv, Donetsk and Luhansk. Kharkiv was taken back beautifully with no casualties. (Because it was so successful, there were rumours those were Polish or American special forces that were used). This is a temporary reprieve and more trouble is expected for Kharkiv though.

Another key in the East is Dnipropetrovsk which stands firmly Ukrainian with Kolomoyskyi leading the way. Russians tried their stunts in Zaporizhia and Mykolayiv but failed miserably. In Zaporizhia, they were cordoned off by the bigger Ukrainian crowd and then humiliated; in Mykolayiv, they were chased out of town. Kherson, bordering Crimea, was quieter than quiet. There were some minor disturbances in Odesa.

So, let's pray it will only improve in these Eastern/Southern Ukrainian cities, and Donbas is soon cleared of the Russian troops.

I spent a good portion of my military career “analyzing” the Soviets, so all of this has a particular interest to me.

How about learning Russian/Ukrainian and read the press in the original language? Rosetta Stone, anyone? )))

43 posted on 04/15/2014 5:31:19 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa; tcrlaf

All the sources you gave are completely opposite of one another....so of course if either side is all one reads you’ll only see it form whatever source you favor or want to believe.

Even the Main Street Media is saying there’s a very real anti-Russian push by most American media.

It’s rare I go to Kiev or Euromaiden.....they are equally as bad as RT etc. At most you’ll know something’s going on but then you have to go find those on the ground to get the actual happening... Besides there are far too many other sources out there who are actually on the ground reporting rather to take news from them.

It’s now known our media’s been using old photos and videos of the military buildup on Russia’s borders....in addition journalist who traveled over 1000 miles up and down the border who said other than the normal bases and movements they could not see what was being reported....But of course Maiden and Kiev have been doing their share of false reporting as well.

Facts are just what they are, regardless of which side one wants to believe...better in this situation in Ukraine to understand this whole thing is not new to Ukraine....and whoever sits at the helm is going to play all sides.....it’s the nature of the Ukrainian beast...you cannot change their violent culture bent overnight.


45 posted on 04/15/2014 5:46:21 PM PDT by caww
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