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Is Oil Slick Found Near 'Ping' Site Linked to Missing MH370?
NBC News ^ | 04/14/2014

Posted on 04/14/2014 3:06:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Crews searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet are investigating an oil slick found not far from the area where underwater “pings” that may be linked to the aircraft’s black box were detected.

“A sample of about two liters has been collected and we are a number of days before it can be landed ashore and conclusively tested,” said retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, the head of a joint agency coordinating the painstaking search off Australia’s west coast. “I stress the source of the oil is yet to be determined.”

The slick is approximately 18,000 feet down-wind and down-sea from signals consistent with an aircraft's black boxes that were detected by a U.S. Navy "pinger locator" that was towed in the southern Indian Ocean.

However, one expert warned that it would be impossible to directly link the sample to the Boeing 777 which vanished on March 8.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2014airlinercrash; australia; autopilot; ccp; china; malaysiaairlines; maldives; mh370; oilrigworker; radar; southchinasea; unitedkingdom; wildgoosechase
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To: Uncle Chip

The pilot, pilots, or hijackers may have been alive in the beginning, and there is no doubt that a waypoint was reached.

But the plane could have gone north as well as south.

If it went south, at the end of its flight the plane had no pilot. It went on a heading that would never get it to dry land and flew another seven hours.
What purpose would it serve to do that?

You, nor the Malaysian ministry, have no proof that the plane landed nicely in the Indian Ocean, nor that it had any amount of fuel left, let alone a precise number like 300 gallons.

With Malaysians’ track record of erroneous information and deception, why would anyone trust their charts or analysis at this point in time?

The idea that an uncontrolled plane ditched gently into an ocean that could have thirty foot waves, and then sank, intact, to the bottom, is extremely low on the probability scale.

There is no way that the US government satellites do not have a record of where this flight went. If it crashed into the ocean our subs and underwater acoustics system would have picked up such a noise. Diego
Garcia is beehive of electronic gear that also would have tracked a plane, especially one that was not reporting on schedule.

This plane could have gone north just as well as south. And if it did, that has far more sinister implications than the dead end in the southern Indian
Ocean.


41 posted on 04/15/2014 3:56:22 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
The pilot, pilots, or hijackers may have been alive in the beginning

And what would have killed him or them after the beginning??? the sojourn to 45000ft??? then who was piloting the plane after that making all the necessary course adjustments and altitude changes???

With Malaysians’ track record of erroneous information and deception, why would anyone trust their charts or analysis at this point in time?

Because it is not their charts nor their analysis nor anything they embrace.

Their position is the one being argued by you --

It went on a heading that would never get it to dry land and flew another seven hours.

That's not true. The heading was taking it toward the northwestern coast of Australia but it was ditched 600 miles short on purpose.

You need to keep up -- you are arguing with old discarded information.

What purpose would it serve to do that?

What purpose did hijacking the plane in the first place serve?? That one.

What purpose did evading radar and flying as fast and low as possible to get out of the area undetected serve??? That one.

You, nor the Malaysian ministry, have no proof that the plane landed nicely in the Indian Ocean

Sure I do -- pings from the black box below an area where there is an absence of debris.

Where is your or your Malaysian ministry's proof to the contrary???

nor that it had any amount of fuel left, let alone a precise number like 300 gallons.

Try rereading what I wrote rather than misquoting things. Aviation analysts per the chart I posted show where it had enough fuel to travel 2300 miles to the southeast. Where the pings from the black box are coming from is 2000 miles to the east south east. That means that it would have had around 300 miles left in its tank [That's 300 miles -- not 300 gallons -- please note]

Do you or the Malaysian ministry have any evidence to the contrary???

The idea that an uncontrolled plane ditched

That is ridiculous -- that's why the pilot was at the helm using his skill and training to ditch it with enough fuel in the tank to be able to choose a suitable location while it is still under his control.

The idea that an uncontrolled plane ditched gently into an ocean that could have thirty foot waves

swells not waves -- Anyway the sea surface at that search area looks like it can easily accommodate a plane ditching. Maybe it was that calm or calmer on that March 8th morning as well.

Diego Garcia is beehive of electronic gear that also would have tracked a plane, especially one that was not reporting on schedule.

It wasn't reported by the Malaysians until an hour after it failed to show up in Beijing -- and that was just about when it was being ditched thousands mile away from the South China Sea where the Malaysians said it went down and later in Pakistan where the Malaysians hoped it would be found.

You really need to keep up and quit siding with the Malaysian Ministry of Untruths.

42 posted on 04/15/2014 6:18:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

At 19000 ft oil/fuel turns to sludge. It doesn’t flow.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:00 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

So then if it oozed out of an engine on the ocean floor, would balls of sludge float to the surface where it could warm up and morph into an oil slick???


44 posted on 04/15/2014 6:44:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tallguy
At 19000 ft oil/fuel turns to sludge. It doesn’t flow.

Don't understand your comment. Pressure at that level is approx 1000 bar. Most modern diesel fuel injections systems ("common rail") are running at about that pressure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_rail

45 posted on 04/15/2014 6:51:57 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sorry Chip, you don’t anything more than any of the so-called experts.

You don’t know he was heading for Australia. You don’t know that the pilot ditched the plane on purpose.

You don’t know how the plane impacted the ocean.

You don’t even know if they are looking in the right place.

You don’t even know if the pings are from the airplane in question.

But don’t let that stop you from spouting your theories as if they are proven fact.

You have your own version of the Ministry of Truth and how fortunate we are that you share it with us.


46 posted on 04/15/2014 7:37:49 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

<>you don’t anything more than any of the so-called experts.<>

I have the experts who drew this up:

https://www.facebook.com/178566888854999/photos/pcb.740971779281171/740971732614509/?type=1&theater

You do notice where the 811 arc crosses the S20 Parallel. It is right where the black box pings were heard, wasn’t it???

<>You don’t know he was heading for Australia<>

What is that big land mass in the direction that the plane was flying just to the east — ohh look it’s Australia.

I prefer the experts and information that we have rather than the experts and information that you don’t have.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 8:20:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: nascarnation
http://www.marcon.com/marcon2c.cfm?SectionListsID=85&PageID=244

It's not pressure, it's water temperature. The above link is to an oil tanker that went down after a collision off San Francisco Bay in 1953 while heading to Korea with war supplies. This wreck's position was not known with any certainty until recent times, but mysterious spills after storms reminded people in the area that it was out there.

The vessel is only in 180 FSW, but the fuel has to be heated in order to pump out the holds -- which was done to partially remediate the risks associated with a future major hull breach.

If the airliner "soft landed" (extremely unlikely) it is barely conceivable that the plane went down with its fuel tanks intact. (Even a controlled landing in open ocean is likely to break up the aircraft).

The point that I'm trying to make is that this plane, if it's there, is in 19,000 FSW. That is in excess of 3 miles below the surface. We are talking very cold water. I would expect even fairly light Jet-A to become very gooey at that depth.

But even if it didn't then this fuel has a long way to go before reaching the surface. There are a lot of sub surface currents & temperature gradients to cross. Any slick at the surface is bound to be so dilute as to escape notice as "a slick".

OTOH, I suspect that the aircraft either ran out of fuel or lost the ability of controlled flight and went in hard. In that case what little fuel the aircraft had has long had a chance to dissipate.

48 posted on 04/15/2014 8:47:41 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy
I suspect that the aircraft either ran out of fuel or lost the ability of controlled flight and went in hard. In that case what little fuel the aircraft had has long had a chance to dissipate.

If that's the case and the SAR experts know that and the oil on the surface can't possible be from the plane, crashed or submerged, then why are these experts taking note of this oil slick and sending 2 liters of it it in for identification???

49 posted on 04/15/2014 9:12:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeekAndFind
Is Oil Slick Found Near 'Ping' Site Linked to Missing MH370? - prolly not so much.
50 posted on 04/15/2014 9:32:33 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Uncle Chip

I think that the answer to this is obvious... they don’t have any better leads.

We’re all speculating here based on a handful of facts. I tend to favor the theory that the crew & passengers were overcome by smoke/rapid-depressurization possibly while dealing with a progressive loss of power (perhaps of their own doing while isolating a fire).

But your guess is as good as mine.

Where I differ is on the possibility of a soft landing in those waters. I just don’t see it. That’s some big ocean out there. Rough waters are the rule.


51 posted on 04/15/2014 10:14:20 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: SeekAndFind

If there is an oil slick there, its because we (The CIA) put it there. If there is a black box there, it is because that is where we put it.

I am surprised we did not change the batteries to give it extended pining life.

I though for sure this had crashed in the Ocean. Then I saw TWO stories about phones pinging off cellular towers near DG.

The whole story is just creepy. And if it turns out that those cel phone pings are true, it changes everything about the entire war on terror for the past 13 years.


52 posted on 04/15/2014 10:18:27 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Coconut oil slick...


53 posted on 04/15/2014 5:58:49 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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