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OIL FRACKING LEASES Reason For Bundy Ranch Fiasco in Nevada NOT 'Desert Tortoise!
The Survival Place Blog ^ | Aprol 11, 2014 | kackikat

Posted on 04/11/2014 8:34:41 AM PDT by Kackikat

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To: Dead Corpse

Nobody is ever granted an unchanged grazing allotments in perpetuity. It’s not his land and the allotments are a contract not an inalienable right.

So yeah, if he wanted to use the allotment to the extent on offer, he should have signed it. Instead, he stupidly shot his argument in the foot by refusing and illegally running trespass cattle.

Had he maintained his grazing allotment in a legal fashion, he may have had a fighting chance to argue the inadequacies of the BLM management practices and the bogus science of the tortoise plan in court.

But because he doesn’t have a contract, he has no legal standing to argue from, he’s just a trespasser. The enviroweenies bought up his allotment and retired it. Super Genius strategy there.


181 posted on 04/11/2014 1:49:53 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

They don’t want ANYONE on that land.

This is bigger than grazing. This is FedGov out of control and you are wrong to side with them.


182 posted on 04/11/2014 1:54:04 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (uire)
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To: fabian
"Hogwash...we paid for it. That was taxpayers money and now it belongs to the good citizens of Nevada."

Wait, Did Nevada pay for it? or the U.S? The U.S. did. Nevada is what was paid for. So why would it be Nevada land and not Federal?

183 posted on 04/11/2014 1:55:15 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Valpal1

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal

More issues with Bundy Ranch and use of public lands for grazing.


184 posted on 04/11/2014 2:04:42 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: sport

lol... Check this out.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal

Well the plots of BLM are many...This article is from 2012, which shows Harry Reid planned to use that public land in Clark County, NV, or parts of it too.


185 posted on 04/11/2014 2:07:41 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Marcella

There are some things in the mix intended to kill bacteria, and other substances which inhibit corrosion and adjust the properties of the frac fluid. These are generally used in very small quantities. They don’t get into groundwater unless someone spills them on the ground, and unless the spill is huge, there isn’t enough to be a hazard to anything.


186 posted on 04/11/2014 2:07:50 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Well if he purchased them from the Feds, why did they quit maintaining the grazing land from his fees, leaving Bundy to do it alone, while using money from grazing fees to buy up all the other ranchers? I think the Judge was wrong, and Bundy’s fees were his to keep and maintain the land BLM neglected.... as was BLMs part to do.


187 posted on 04/11/2014 2:10:02 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Alas Babylon!
The conservative/old school view is that pioneers, ranchers, farmers, factory workers, surburbanites, are the backbone of America and we should always cherish their hard work and pioneering spirit.

If your family has been farming or ranching in the same area over 100 years, on the same land, I'd say there is a pretty good chance that y'all have figured out how to be good stewards of that land, that you know it better than any PhD from elsewhere, and that you have taken care of it because you realize it is the sustainable means of production if you treat it right.

There is land in our family since the 1600s and it is still agricultural. Unfortunately, tendrils of government control have dictated what can and cannot be done with parts of that, and that part of the land is suffering as a result.

188 posted on 04/11/2014 2:12:26 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The leases were just one of the things affecting the BLM claim, showing a land grab situation:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-dealo

The land in question is in Clark County, NV....Reid/China Solar Co is another reason the Feds want Bundy off the public land....it’s all about the money!


189 posted on 04/11/2014 2:13:37 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: The Cajun

It’d just blow the head gaskets and make the turbo run backward. Wicked stuff, that.


190 posted on 04/11/2014 2:16:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kackikat

Alex Jones specializes in monetizing kooky and conspiracy oriented sensational muckraking. He’s a stopped clocked so I take anything on his website with large grains of salt.

Even then you haven’t characterized the “plan” correctly. Gold Butte is a designated offsite mitigation area for other solar development. That does not mean they plan to put a solar plant there, it means that any environmental damage done up in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone will be mitigated by restoration $$$ spent in Clark County.

I think the whole solar thing is bullscat, but that doesn’t change the fact that Bundy screwed himself over by divesting himself of any legal standing as a stakeholder by refusing the contract and not paying the grazing fees, thereby turning himself into a trespasser and a scofflaw long before the solar boondoggle began.

Had he maintained his legal standing properly, he’d have a golden opportunity to make fools of them in court with their bogus science and corrupt green energy schemes.

Many conservative legal think tanks would have jumped at a golden test case, but this one is a loser because he started by breaking the law for 20 years.


191 posted on 04/11/2014 2:17:59 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Kackikat
...it’s all about the money!

It is usually about either money or power, and the former is the latter, to a great extent.

192 posted on 04/11/2014 2:18:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
It’d just blow the head gaskets and make the turbo run backward. Wicked stuff, that.

Watch out, you could have made another talking point for the *Eco/Green Weenie* crowd :)

193 posted on 04/11/2014 2:21:48 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Kackikat

Why is the federal government using my tax dollars to support a welfare class who will not help itself?

Why is the federal government using my tax dollars to house, feed, and care for illegal aliens who have no right to my tax dollars?

Why does the federal government do anything it does outside of what is morally and legally acceptable?

Because it can get away with it.


194 posted on 04/11/2014 2:22:54 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: The Cajun

Yeah, they’d make everyone drive in reverse...


195 posted on 04/11/2014 2:23:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kackikat

The Bundy ranch is no where near Laughlin, NV as referenced in the article. You should take a course in map reading.


196 posted on 04/11/2014 2:30:58 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Dead Corpse

I don’t side with the FedGov, I also don’t side with Bundy, there are no angels in this fight.


197 posted on 04/11/2014 2:45:50 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That sounds about right!


198 posted on 04/11/2014 3:33:33 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Scoutmaster

1993 was the year Bruce Babbit and Jim Baca tried to double the grazing fees as part of reform catering to the envirals in the Clinton coalition, sparking some serious pushback from western state Governors and cattlemen associations.

Baca was eventually sacrificed and fired as BLM director as a result of this.


199 posted on 04/11/2014 3:44:13 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Smokin' Joe
“They don’t get into groundwater unless someone spills them on the ground, and unless the spill is huge, there isn’t enough to be a hazard to anything.”

I asked the engineer about spills and he said the only spill they have is when one of the big machines sprouts an oil drip from a hose and that is fixed as soon as it is seen. The process of all those trucks lined up with those machines that put pressure down that hole, has been explained to me along with the rest of the process.

Human error can cause a problem and I was told about a few of these. This type of human error, of course, can happen with drilling a regular well. There is a huge amount of power used in drilling (and fracking) and I appreciate the effort and caution these men have to deal with every day they are on a well.

200 posted on 04/11/2014 3:55:32 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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