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To: narses
That story doesn't include anything that remotely justifies a self-defense claim (defense of property, yes, but not self-defense). As far as I know, no state allows you to shoot someone who has stolen your property but is fleeing with it, unless that person does something to indicate he's a threat to you.

Here's a link to a story that shows the basis of the self-defense claim. He said he thought he saw a weapon in the thief's hand, and thought he was about to be shot.

48 posted on 04/10/2014 7:22:54 PM PDT by GJones2 (Self-defense)
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To: GJones2

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-474161.html#.UVK4XfP4dpY.gmail

Here’s Washington State Law; note that it pertains to citizens, not law enforcement, who are covered in another point of the same chapter:

RCW 9A.16.020
Use of force — When lawful.
The use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person of another is not unlawful in the following case(s):
(2) Whenever necessarily used by a person arresting one who has committed a felony and delivering him or her to a public officer competent to receive him or her into custody;

So in theory, any citizen can use whatever force is necessary to arrest (i.e. stop) a felon. However, the Tennessee v. Garner case must be taken into account for citizens as well as for LE; and the gist of that is that you need to assess and balance the risk of using force against this person vs. the risk of allowing them to escape. Are they going to harm someone? Have they already done so? How dangerous are they? That’s all Garner requires us to articulate.

There are certainly cases in which I would shoot a fleeing felon in the back, LE or not; and that decision would arise out of a conviction that they represent a totally unacceptable danger if allowed to escape. Both the Law and Garner envision and allow for this kind of possibility.


50 posted on 04/10/2014 7:28:49 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: GJones2

Texas does, but it has to be at night. TX Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.


53 posted on 04/10/2014 7:48:23 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: GJones2
In the state of Washington you can shoot someone to stop a felony. That includes to stop it as they are driving away in your car. Which is why this case should NEVER have been brought up anyway - regardless of the “I thought I saw a gun” thing. The prosecuter was trying to make a name for himself - he failed.
64 posted on 04/10/2014 8:44:57 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: GJones2

You certainly can in Texas.


78 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:53 AM PDT by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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