Posted on 04/09/2014 8:18:46 AM PDT by FBD
"not the right way to go about addressing the situation."
So what is the BEST way?
A list of BETTER ways? "
Please enlighten us with the wisdom of your statist philosophy as to how to resolve this.
You might want to research that story a little more deeply. They ended up winning a unanimous decision in the Washington State Supreme Court 13 years ago and live in their house today.
One other thing: The Columbia River Gorge Commission is a creature of the Washington and Oregon state governments. They fund it and staff it. The feds had nothing to do with the Bea's problems.
Agreed. To an extent...
I would prefer a Congressional committee to be set up to take a hard look at Art 1 Sec 8, the Bill of Rights, and all current Federal agencies. Using strict construction, go through each Agency and match it to an explicit reading of the operative article/amendment.
Any found to violate that strict reading would be immediately axed, their staff furloughed, buildings/assets sold to the public, and any criminal actions under their auspices prosecuted fully.
For some Federal agencies that most consider “vital” to our Nations health, free market private entities be given first shot at buying said assets/buildings. Such as a private version of NASA, FDA, or the FAA to be run much the same way Underwriters Laboratories or the IEEE is run.
Guess where the BLM falls under that “oversight”...
How is it that 52 cattle ranchers all left the area?
Were all of them thieves and squatters? Enjoy your $50 8oz. steak.
http://www.chiltonranch.com/chilton_ranch_lawsuit.html
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Heck, I think there should be a 10-yr hiatus on ANY new Law while Congress should be required to straighten out the US Code that we currently have with a limit on their product to 10% of the verbiage we now have including 100% removal of any phrases like “As the Secretary shall determine”.
I assure you, the Columbia River Gorge, is a federally protected area. That’s who the Gorge commission gets its authority and funding from.
http://www.gorgecommission.org/national_scenic_act.cfm
Care to take a guess at how much it cost them to win that court case to keep their house? Let’s not get lost in the weeds here. This is about abuse of federal government power.
Works for me. Along with a hiatus, we should have sunset clauses for ALL laws in the US Code. Give it Jefferson’s 19 year limit. Help weed out stuff passed back in the 1800’s that isn’t necessary or required.
Seeing as we're talking about Clark County, Nevada here, and the Las Vegas housing boom of recent years, they most likely sold their land to real estate developers and made more money than they could in years of grazing cattle on that scrub. Combine that with the fact that family farms have traditionally had a problem with kids not wanting to stay there and it's easy to see how the ranching operations could shut down.
The only threat to the tortoises, is our federal government.
Adverse possession doesn't appear to apply in this case.
First, under common law, one of the elements required to obtain title by adverse possession is 'hostile' use. That means you can't obtain title by adverse possession when your use of the land is with the consent of the owner. Second, under common law, another required element is exclusive use of the land. Without fencing, and with another 52(?) ranchers in the area at one time, I don't see how Bundy can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that his family's use of the federal land was exclusive.
Third, under Nevada law, color of title is required to obtain title by adverse possession. Unless Bundy can show a purported instrument of conveyance of title to the land in question, he can't obtain title by adverse possession under Nevada law.
Fourth, under Nevada law, to obtain adverse possession of land, all federal, state, and local taxes on the land must have been paid since the alleged date of occupation, or the claimant must pay them.
You’ve provided some excellent posts and information on this thread. Thank you!
From your link: "The Gorge Commission is a bi-state Compact agency authorized by the Scenic Act and created by Washington and Oregon legislation in 1987. The Commission is funded equally by the two states and is comprised of twelve volunteers appointed by the counties and states."
Care to take a guess at how much it cost them to win that court case to keep their house?
Don't know, but I know that the Pacific Legal Foundation took their case for free.
Let’s not get lost in the weeds here.
Then quit pointing to the weeds.
Thanks for the tip. If I was a few years younger, I would go help take this man’s cattle back. If enough people did that, would the Fed’s just shoot all of them?
:-)
The Center for Biological Diversity is not a state or federal entity.
It would be nice if someone was to post pictures that enable us to identify the thugs carrying guns, the snipers and the rest of them government cowboys. It wouldn’t take too much before we could identify where they live.
You know just let them sleep with one hand on the nightstand for a few months and see if they really want to be a G-man.
During that interview with Mr. Bundy it was alluded by AJ that the militia had shown up. If that happens to turn out true Look out Lucy.
My point was this is about federal abuse and control. Back to the Gorge for just one point: U.S. Forest Service is in charge if the Gorge. (115,000 acres) The commission enforces the rules, set by the federal government, via the USFD
Similar to the BLM, they enforce policy, and they have everything to do with what happens in the gorge. I don't know if they have their own SWAT team like the BLM does, but I'm sure it's coming. Doesn't that disturb you at all?
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/e6f1c-000.jpg?w=960
If you say so. I'm sure you have a snopes link or something to back up your assertion.
I like how you think...
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