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We want out of Ukraine: Donetsk protesters dig in at government building
CNN ^
| April 8, 2014
| By Nick Paton Walsh
Posted on 04/08/2014 5:49:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: SADMILLIE
The East has most of the GDP. Also strong trade relations with Russia.
To: Paul R.
Perhaps it does give a false impression -- or at least it's designed to create a different impression than the map you posted. We would have to see the complete data set to really know. The map I posted is general (it also uses different definitions); but, yours could also be misleading. For instance, if the Russian-speaking population is concentrated in cities, then it would appear as a tiny part of the total area. For instance, the following map is based on "area" rather than "population of voters", and gives the impression (at first glance) that the Republicans won the 2008 presidential election in a landslide. What it really shows is that Republicans live in less densely-packed places than Democrats.
To: AlexW
Almost all Ukrainian people speak Russian.
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posted on
04/09/2014 12:53:48 AM PDT
by
FBD
To: FreeReign
It's not about language. The dark greens are where there's a Russian ethnic majority... How can you tell a man from a man by ethnicity, if you reject the language criteria? Pedigree tests? Too cumbersome.
To: Rashputin
Map in #14. So, if there are 101 Ukrainians and 100 Russians a section is the same color as if there are 100 Ukrainians and 10 Russians. That may promote a particular agenda really well but it doesnt do squat to pass on any real information.I noticed that you didn't make any comments about the lame "language maps" on this thread that are meaningless which promote an agenda.
Are you trying to be objective.
Here's another map that I've posted on this board maybe about 15 times.
And you're welcome.
To: Freelance Warrior
How can you tell a man from a man by ethnicity, if you reject the language criteria? Pedigree tests? Too cumbersome.Here's an idea.
You ask the person.
It's called SELF identification.
To: FreeReign
Put all of those maps together, and there’s no question the way out of this quagmire is to split the most Russian parts of eastern Ukraine from the rest.
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posted on
04/09/2014 7:01:52 AM PDT
by
grania
To: FreeReign
It's called SELF identification. Well, yes, if during an interview you explain properly what kind of answer you want from people. I'm still not sure that was done when creating the map.
To: Freelance Warrior
It's the 2001 Ukrainian Census.
Link
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I think you’d have to have a fairly detailed 3D map of ethnic Russians vs. Ukrainians, with population on the z-axis, to get a better idea. The map I posted at best would be a “two wrongs adding up somewhere close”: It doesn’t account for population density, but by focusing incorrectly on language, it also does not take into account that Ukraine is only 17.3% ethnic Russian, and in many “ethnic Russian areas”, the dominance is not overwhelming. (The converse is true in some other areas also.)
And in Kharkiv, for example:
http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=13316.msg94149#msg94149
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posted on
04/09/2014 10:25:14 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: grania
But... According to that last map, the region with the highest % of Russians other than Crimea is only 39% Russian. I suppose one could do the equivalent of gerrymandered boundaries, but even then it’s a mess.
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posted on
04/09/2014 10:31:08 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Yes, recall the studies about rats or mice forced to lived in too densely packed conditions? (They go psycho, etc. Not all, but many.)
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posted on
04/09/2014 10:58:10 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: FreeReign
Well, my only “agenda” was to show that Ukraine is not anywhere close to 1/2 ethnic Russian, and that the population distribution even if just by language, in the East, is quite complex.
(Don’t shoot me, I’m on your side, or at least the average Ukrainians’ side...)
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posted on
04/09/2014 11:06:59 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
To: SADMILLIE
That’s about how I feel too...The US doesn’t have any vital interest in Ukraine yet Haartz article just said the head Military Officer would NOT be excluding the US troops from going to Europe.
Reporters asked again and he basically repeated NO nation would be excluded from troops on the ground if they determine now to do so.
I am livid about this...let the EU handle this on their own!
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posted on
04/09/2014 11:12:53 PM PDT
by
caww
To: tcrlaf
You know the EU/US/Nato were just asking for things to esculate. I'm more than angry at our country and the EU over this mess....over Ukraine for crying out loud!......Obama said ...."we will not be going to war with Russia over Ukraine"....did we believe him?
An interesting photo...did Putin know even then?
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posted on
04/09/2014 11:44:23 PM PDT
by
caww
To: Paul R.
This has little if anything to do with the population.....this has to do with the active encroachment of the EU/NATO/US into the political affairs of Ukraine and adjoining nations......which began more than ten years ago.
Once US and EU violated Ukraine’s sovereignty and interfered in their domestic political affairs by fomenting, supporting, and funding the Right Sector and Neo-Cons.. the West and Russia Federation were at War.
Putin said in his march 18th speech, and many times before that...
.....But let me say that we are not opposed to cooperation with NATO, for this is certainly not the case. For all the internal processes within the organisation, NATO remains a military alliance, and we are against having a military alliance making itself at home right in our backyard or in our historic territory.
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posted on
04/09/2014 11:57:05 PM PDT
by
caww
To: Paul R.
This is what the Kiev Gov did this week when a Russian Representative of Parliament was airing grievances about how Russians were being treated since the take over....they attacked him and a brawl followed....this also happened under the former President when they were attempting to change the language to only Ukrainian....If they can not agree to discuss and settle matters in a dignified manner by their Gov. Officials ...then it will also follow suit on their streets and in their cities.
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posted on
04/10/2014 12:11:55 AM PDT
by
caww
To: Paul R.
This is what the Kiev Gov did this week when a Russian Representative of Parliament was airing grievances about how Russians were being treated since the take over....they attacked him and a brawl followed....this also happened under the former President when they were attempting to change the language to only Ukrainian....If they can not agree to discuss and settle matters in a dignified manner by their Gov. Officials ...then it will also follow suit on their streets and in their cities.
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posted on
04/10/2014 12:11:55 AM PDT
by
caww
To: FreeReign
Well, this is convincing, I agree now.
To: Paul R.
Yes, I do recall those studies — reminders are around me all the time, since moving to the city. I’ve come to believe that population density is a major determinant of political ideology (a high-rise city scape is almost a bar graph of socialism).
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