Posted on 04/05/2014 2:17:13 PM PDT by markomalley
The tragic Fort Hood shooting this week reignited the debate over shootings in gun-free zones and whether gun-free zones are generally more prone to this kind of horrible violence. On Cashin’ In Saturday morning, Eric Bolling and Juan Williams tussled over mental health and the gun culture, with Williams saying, “I think we need America to be a gun-free zone.”
Jonathan Hoenig and Wayne Rogers agreed the problem is more about “seriously deranged people” as opposed to guns. Williams said, “I’m amused that you guys are so quick to run away from the easy availability of guns as having some responsibility for all of these tragedies.”
Michelle Fields said law-abiding gun owners shouldn’t be punished for what “a few crazy people did,” and Williams cried, “Who is punishing any gun owners?” Bolling brought up Williams’ comment about making America a gun-free zone, to which Williams said it’s never going to happen as long as the NRA keeps sidelining that conversation.
Fields and Williams battled over Fields’ assertion that Democrats “take advantage of these tragedies.” Williams challenged her to name one action Obama’s taken on guns, and Fields insisted “he would if he could!”
Watch the video below, via Fox News:
I'd go with disarming ALL government employees except the US Military as a first step.
“We don’t need American to be a gun-free zone...we need it to be a lib-free zone. “
Thanks for that comment. feel a new t-shirt coming on at zazzle.com...
America was founded on G-d, guns and guts, which seems to have escaped Juan's "learned" opinion, and ignored FBI crime stats. [Which is intellectual/journalistic dishonesty, and partisanship].
5.56mm
And we need to have a balanced budget.
It really doesn’t matter what these clowns want. There are more guns in America than there are people. America will NEVER be free of guns, even if the Lord Jesus came down tomorrow and decreed it to be.
It is not going to happen. So we want to move on to another discussion.
"I think we need America to be a gun-free zone."*
*Except for the heavily armed, abusive, overpaid paramilitary American Police Forces
Juan - we know what your unspoken asterisk means:
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance”, and Juan Williams is cheering them on.
Such ponderings/maunderings may be the only consolation in the coming end of the Republic as society collapses into starvation, murder and chaos.
America has had easy availability of guns throughout our history. Much more so than now. When I was a kid you could order an M1 carbine through Sears catalog and have it left at your house. We didn’t have mass shootings then like we do now. Better find another reason, Juan.
Juan also called himself a libertarian on the same show.
He really is a doll with buttons or strings that speak out favorite leftist phrases whenever touched.
When is his contract up? When he is on, I turn the channel - can’t stand that SOB.
Such ponderings/maunderings may be the only consolation in the coming end of the Republic as society collapses into starvation, murder and chaos.
Yes, but do we know that Juan isn't one of the many guns for me, but not for thee, liberals?
We need FEWER gun free zones. “An armed society is a polite society”
Juan, you are safer at a gun show than in the middle of a city-sized Army base.
Moreover, we now have serious scientific studies based on data from four different states who passed “shall issue” concealed carry laws, that as a demographic, CCW permitees are possibly the most law abiding and peaceful demographic that can be identified by law enforcement.
see for example:
The rate that concealed carry permit holders are now losing their permits for gun related violations
Between, October 1, 1987, and November 30, 2008, Florida issued permits to 1,439,446 people, many of whom have had their permits renewed multiple times. Only 166 had their permits revoked for any type of firearms related violation – about 0.01 percent. I was just looking up the new numbers. Updating those numbers to January 31, 2010, Florida has now issued permits to 1,704,624 people. The number who have had their permits revoked has risen to just 167. In 14 months, just one person with a Florida permit has lost his permit for a fire arms related violation. There are currently 692,621 valid permits. That is a revocation rate of 0.00014 percent.
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2010/02/rate-that-concealed-carry-permit.html
In North Carolina, one of only a handful of states that reveals the identities of permit holders, 200 of the 240,000 concealed carriers (.08 percent) committed felonies of all types, including eight shooting deaths, in the five-year period ending in 2011. This compares with about 2.5 percent of voting-age Americans who have a felony rap sheet, according to The Sentencing Project.
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-big-change-in-views-on-concealed.html
I’m going to say thay we need America to be a Juan Williams free zone!!!!!
I buy at least one a year and my state doesn’t have a wait period (which is one of the reasons I moved there).
Be quiet Juan. You’re better off asking your son what he thinks. Juan’s son may be a Tea Partier, in case you didn’t know.
For the reader to squirrel away for their own files here are other studies:
An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,” William E. Sturdevant, September 1, 2000; Florida Department of Justice statistics,
1998; Florida Department of State,
http://concealedguns.procon.org/sourcefiles/sturdevant.pdf
From page 23 of the report:
6.3.3.1 Males
The average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.9 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery, and assault than the average male CHL holder. The average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 20 times more likely to be arrested for committing a non-violent crime than the average male CHL holder.
Looking at violent crimes individually, the average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 1.9 times (rate of 9.0 v. 4.8) more likely to be arrested for murder; 68 times (rate of 25 v. 0.4) more likely to be arrested for rape; 49 times (rate of 45 v. 0.9) more likely to be arrested for robbery;
3.2 times (rate of 207 v. 64) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 11 times (rate of 914 v. 82) more likely to be arrested for other assaults than the average male CHL holder.
No male Texas CHL holder was arrested for negligent manslaughter during the 1996 through 1999 period.
6.3.3.2 Females
The average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder and assault than the average female CHL holder. The average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 16 times more likely to be arrested for committing a nonviolent
crime than the average female CHL holder.
Looking at violent crimes individually, the average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 1.7 times (rate of 1.3 v. 0.7) more likely to be arrested for murder; 2.2 times (rate of 48 v. 22) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 20 times (rate of 180 v. 9) more likely to be
arrested for other assaults than the average female CHL holder.
No female Texas CHL holder has arrested for negligent manslaughter, rape, or robbery during the 1996 through 1999 period.
...
7 CONCLUSIONS:
7.1.1 Arrest data for Texas CHL holders indicate that violent crime is not a consequence of handgun ownership or possession.
7.1.2 The total population of Texas has an arrest rate for violent crime that is 5.3 times higher than Texas CHL holders, based upon data from 1996 - 1999.
...
7.2.1 Arrest data for Texas CHL holders indicate that murder and non-negligent manslaughter is not a consequence of handgun ownership or possession....
...
7.5.2 The total population of Texas has an arrest rate for robbery that is 48 times higher than Texas CHL holders, based upon data from 1996 - 1999.
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7.9.1 Less than two percent (1.9%) of the arrests of CHL holders for violent crimes that possibly involve weapons (murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, aggravated assault) were classified as “family violence” crimes.
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7.10.2 The total population of Texas has an arrest rate for non-violent crime that is 14 times higher than Texas CHL holders, based upon data from 1996 - 1999.
from:
Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,” 1998; Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000; Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association
Murder Rates by Minnesota Gun Permit Holders Expose Remarkable Safety of Firearms Owners
When the Minnesota law was passed, an annual report of crimes committed by permit holders was required. The Minnesota permit is simply a permit to carry, the law does not discriminate between carrying concealed and carrying openly.
Reports for the law are available for 2003, and 2005-2012 in pdf files.
The number of people with Minnesota permits that commit murder or manslaughter is remarkably low. Only three instances are recorded in the Minnesota Carry Permit annual reports for the nine years reported.
From the reports, the numbers of valid permits for each year are as follows:
2003 – 15,677
2005 – 32,885
2006 – 42,189
2007 – 51,347
2008 – 56,919
2009 – 69,313
2010 – 79,180
2011 – 91,221
2012 – 114,793
Total for the years listed – 553,524
Rate of carry permit holders committing murder and manslaughter/100,000 per year, .542.
Rate of murder in the general population in Minnesota, per 100,000 averaged for the years 2003, 2005 – 2012, is 1.78.
https://dps.mn.gov/Pages/Results.aspx?k=permit%20to%20carry%20report
2011 Report:
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/Documents/2011%20Permit%20to%20Carry%20Year%20End%20Report%20Final.pdf
Quinnipiac Study: Concealed Carry Results in Fewer Murders
“These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level.”
1.3.2014 by Bradford Thomas
In what will certainly be gun control advocates’ new least favorite study, Quinnipiac University’s Mark Gius found not only that states with restrictive concealed weapons laws had higher gun-related murder rates, but that assault weapons bans had no significant impact on murder rates at the state level.
The study by economist Mark Gius, published in Applied Economics Letters, sought to “determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state murder rates,” using extensive data from a thirty-year period, 1980-2009. In the abstract for the study, Gius sums up the findings:
Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level.
Gius notes that these results are consistent with previous research, specifically citing the work by John R. Lott and David B. Mustard.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/quinnipiac-study-concealed-carry-results-fewer-murders
link to study
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UsblyNK1y-2
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294
Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Officers
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-one.html
“He means a fum free zone like HIS HOUSE, he actiually stated on air there were no guns in his house...”
I’m willing to give up all my fum, personally. Never used it much anyway.
Umm... 27 executive actions after Sandy Hook. Fast and Furious where 2 American LEOs were murdered along with hundreds of US and Mexican civilians
I think we need to counter every idiot who says “gun free zone” with I think every law-abiding citizen in America ought to be armed. I think we need to stop being afraid of guns, and instead start dealing with what people are really afraid of: VIOLENT CRIMINALS. They project their fears onto OBJECTS instead of the EVIL, BAD people who use those OBJECTS in an evil way.
People run down other people with their cars. More people die in car crashes (or are injured by) by far than by guns each year. Do we hear Juan saying we should be a car-free nation? More kids drown in pools and bathtubs each year than by guns. Does Juan or anyone else scream at parents to get those wicked bathtubs and pools out of their houses or the CPS services will take your kids away? More innocent people (500) were murdered by police last year (only 30 cops died last year on duty, their numbers have been going down lately), where is Juan demanding that cops be disarmed for gunning down innocents in trends that are going up each year since the 1990s. Abortion kills more children in one day than die all year from gun violence. More in one week than who die from gun violence in one year. Where’s Juan demanding abortion be stopped?
Stop projecting your fear on inanimate objects Juan. Explain how women will be safer without guns. explain how men will be safer without guns. Explain how law-abiding citizens will be safer agaisnt criminal thugs. They live in the same world the cops do, and cops don’t go around unarmed. They have it in case they need it. Same thing for regular folks.
Juan, it’s medieval thinking to believe an object like a gun is evil. If so why trust only the government with these evil devices? Government is just us PEOPLE after all. None of us perfect. We see examples of government failure and corruption every day.
This is where you fail Juan. You make an exception and say, well, government is the good guys, so i am not worried about them having guns. SO, you just abandoned your argument that guns are evil, and now are saying it’s not that guns are evil, its the PEOPLE who have them that either make you worried or not. WE AGREE JUAN. Law abiding people are not the ones you need to be afraid of Juan. We won’t rob you or murder you. You probably don’t even know we have one. You walk right by us every day.
How well are the gunfree zones working Juan? You know in China they have gunfree zones all over b/c people can’t have guns. They instead attack people in train stations with knives Juan. It’s the intent, Juan.
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