Posted on 03/30/2014 6:48:10 PM PDT by No One Special
Today Poland and the Baltic States will consider their own reset.
The truth?
America and Europe have no choice but to accede to Russia’s terms.
They’re not willing to go to war over Crimea. Ukraine itself is a geopolitical prize and is lock, set and match for the Russians.
Who don’t need an agreement to get what they ultimately want. The West is a playing with a weak hand.
Until the media comes clean with how the west had a hand in starting this crisis to begin with there is no basis for honest reporting. We’re told that Russia just up and invaded a ‘sovereign country’. What really happened is that the US and the West instigated the coup in Kiev and Russia reacted. Once that narrative is understood one can then make better sense of all that has happened. What’s more, it’s not for Kerry or Obama to agree to what happens with Ukraine, anymore than it would be up to Russia or China to intervene if we had dispute with say, Mexico.
Excuse me, but, doesn’t Ukraine have any say? I don’t recall Ukraine asking for guidance with what should be done with it. They were trying to fight corruption, and now the two most corrupt presidents are making decisions about its fate.
Another FRputin spreading disinformation?
FYI Ukrainians crave freedom after years of oppression, rusification and exploitation by anyone. People got enough of Yanukovych commie drive into arms of Putin. Stop the crap about “West instigated the coup”.
Brave Ukrainians showed that drive to commie slavery can be stopped, unlike the Americans bowing to king Kenyan.
Just wait for Putin “liberating” Brighton Beach, NY, lotsa oppressed Russian speakings.
If Obama and Kerry had principles - they’d tell Putin and Lavrov another country’s domestic affairs are no one else’s business.
But having conceded on Crimea, conceding on Ukraine is the inevitable next step. And Moscow can see very clearly they have no stomach for a prolonged confrontation.
An independent Ukraine is going to be sacrificed to appease the Russians. And like the Czechs, the Ukrainians will be forced to accept the American-Russian diktat because no one will go to war for them.
We lost the game once we decided to fold over Crimea.
It's already been confirmed that the United Sates was heavily involved and perhaps even instrumental in the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.
We did our part and Putin did his part so who needs to consult with the Ukrainians.
By the way, Obama has deposed Mubarak in Egypt, Gaddafi in Libya and is trying to depose Assad in Syria.
He tried to depose PM Netanyahu in Israel at the same time he deposed Mubarak and he is still trying to depose the government in Afghanistan.
This is the deal that was agreed to in writing by the three Ukrainian opposition leaders, Russia, Germany, France and Poland back in February.
Kerry has a long history of betrayal in Paris.
This reminds me of the secret negotiations the British had with the Soviets near the end of WWII. If I recall correctly, Churchill and Stalin agreed that the British should have 20% influence in eastern Europe.
It was all a farce. Stalin was going to take it all of eastern Europe, and Churchill could do nothing to stop him.
I got the smoke, if you’ve got the mirrors.
What is the state of your healthcare these days?
The Russians do have a point - you Americans have no respect for the sovereignty of other countries.
And you can sit there and lecture us about the need to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty. Who by the way sponsored the Maidan - and helped its ringleaders to flout an agreement by witnessed by the West themselves back in February?
Our Western partners as Russia is wont to say has no right to preach to us about international law, sovereignty and respect for a country’s internal affairs.
The Russian attitude - you made the mess in Ukraine and you clean it up. We don’t care how you do it as long as you do it.
Lavrov dicates the terms and while soiling his depends kerry agrees.
I know for an absolute fact from visiting and personal contact with people there, that the Carpatho-Russian region which was stolen by Stalin from Czechoslovakia in 1945 has NEVER wanted to be part of Ukraine, and has resisted as well as it could the Ukrainization from the Ukrainian Communist tyranny over the past 70 years.
The whole idea of the poor Ukrainians being subject to "Russification" is total hogwash. The opposite is the case.
As recently as last summer, I was told that the authorities in Kiev (which at time would still have been Yanukovich's government) had forbidden the use of Russian in newspaper and other publications, even though that is what the people there have always preferred. All I could find were in Ukrainian, which has been imposed on them. For one thing, this proves that Yanukovich never was a puppet of Russia and was never especially pro-Russian.
And remember this is the WESTERNMOST area of Ukraine.
Prepare for the hatred.
Funny to hear some Russian politicians, like Zhironovsky, supporting giving Western Ukraine back to Poland.
Ah! negotiations in Paris in the Springtime!
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At dinner, Lavrov decided to gnaw on the Osso-Buco
whilst the ever erudite Kerry dined on the finest escargot that Paris had to offer.
At the end of their “negotiations” Kerry promised to send him a case of Napa wine, if Lavrov would send a case of Russian Vodka soaked raisons to his doting wife!
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