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To: CodeToad

Apart from Kent State, I’d like to see you show where a U.S. president has ordered troops to fire on protestors. As usual, you cannot.


85 posted on 03/31/2014 9:18:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Apart from Kent State, I’d like to see you show where a U.S. president has ordered troops to fire on protestors. As usual, you cannot.

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Can we be 'certain that the Pres 'ordered' the Natl Guard to 'open fire' at Kent State?

(OF course he is the 'bottom line' so it is/was his 'orders')

That expressed, did McArthur and troops ever 'open fire' on the 'Bonus Marchers' or just run them out of town?

88 posted on 03/31/2014 9:54:12 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: 1rudeboy

Ask Vicki Weaver.

Oh ... wait ... you can’t.

Her head was blown-off by FBI sniper Lord Horiuchi.

Ask David Koresh.

Oh ... wait ... you can’t...


97 posted on 03/31/2014 11:12:28 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Waco, Apr 20 1993.


105 posted on 03/31/2014 11:57:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1rudeboy
The National Guard in several dozen American cities fired on anyone they thought was a threat and on the street after curfew back in the late sixties and early seventies. A Governor's orders to fire on protesters is good enough without anything from the President once the protest has been declared to be a riot. Had what's going on in the Ukraine happened in any major US city it would have been declared a riot long ago and whether the NG is still handled the same way it used to be is open to question.

Putin isn't anyone's idea of a nice guy, he's the same kind of murdering pragmatist that is in power in this country and who are in power in most of the EU. If you wan real murdering swine look no further than LBJ who allowed thousands of US troops to die who would have survived had there been fewer limits on bombing the North along with air and artillery support in the South. There were hordes or media liars raoming the countryside attributing the slaughter of civilians to Americans only while ignoring the routine mass murder of civilians by NVA and VC action teams and keeping them off his back was more important to LBJ than the lives of US servicemen. That's murdering swine. Anything less is just your run of the mill murdering pragamatist of the sort who run most nations.

The bottom line is that the EU changed the rules of the game and refused to let Russia outbid them in the Ukraine. Rather than matching the Russian offer they preferred to put their own swine in power the same way they put the swine they prefer in Libya and elsewhere. Putin wasn't going to let that happen, especially since staying on the sidelines could lead to another 38 day "referendum" by NATO aircraft that would have without a doubt gone after the infrastructure in the Crimea as well as elsewhere.

The primary infrastructure of international importance consists of pipelines and associated faculties. The EU would be more than happy to destroy all of that and replace it with European owned and operated pipelines and facilities then have Russia either ship gas through those lines or not with no say whatsoever over the pipelines operations and so forth.

Putin is no hero but he's no idiot, either. He took the possible bombing of infrastructure in the Crimea off the table and made it crystal clear he's going to have a say with regard to any changes in power in the Ukraine no matter what rules the EU and US apply rather than sitting on the sidelines and seeing a "Ukrainian Spring" that puts US/EU pets in power. IOW, the EU and US were doing what they've been doing since Kosovo and this time, since it was logistically possible, Putin said, "Vlad don't play that".

No one took Russia seriously when they were trying to get negotiations going as soon as the mess in the Ukraine started. Everyone figured that Putin would have to just deal with the results they dictated. Should he have done whatever evil deeds he's done in order to create the current situation? No, they're immoral and illegal. Was he dealing with people who were doing immoral and illegal things in order to recreate the Ukrainian government to suit themselves? Yes.

So, Putin the "evil swine" fought fire with fire. I don't see him as a hero for doing so but I also don't see how anyone in their right mind thought they could play the game they played in Kosovo, Libya, and Egypt, on Russia's doorstep and not have Putin resort to fighting fire with fire.

I don't know what the Ukrainians had in mind but I know what the EU/US had in mind and they thought they could call the tune and Vlad would have to dance. They were wrong. What immoral and illegal actions there have been flow directly from the EU/US deciding that the game should change from buying off Ukrainian politicians to having mass demonstrations to change the government they way they've handled things elsewhere.

I don't see any good guys in the mix who aren't Ukrainian and caught up in what the EU/US could have avoided by helping calm things down and biding their time.

106 posted on 03/31/2014 1:06:38 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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