Posted on 03/29/2014 8:00:25 AM PDT by don-o
A Chinese and an Australian ship have failed to identify remains from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight after their first day in a new search area.
The two ships retrieved objects from the Indian Ocean but none was confirmed to be from missing flight MH370, Australia's maritime authority said.
Chinese aircraft also flew over the area, north-east of the previous zone, and have spotted more objects.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
Thanks, but I’ll go with what the eyewitness said. After the report was made, large amounts of debris were spotted from the air multiple times.
[snip] Malaysian air force chief Gen. Rodzali Daud reportedly said military radar had spotted the jet over the Strait of Malacca. Hours later, however, Malaysian authorities are now casting doubt on this theory after Daud retracted his report, saying, “I wish to state that I did not make any such statements.” [/snip]
Thanks! If I ever knew that, I had forgotten about it.
> Been listening to John Kerry too much? As far as I knew, things like Doppler shift, satcom and airplanes were unknown in the 19th century.
I guess that was supposed to be funny, here’s something even more amusing:
UK satellite operator used 19th century physics to trace missing plane
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysia-airlines-inmarsat-pings-idUSBREA2N1OJ20140324
Looks like John Kerry is responsible for all of Reuters’ output now, huh?
> In courts, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Yeah, I noticed that when the alleged Malaysian military radar tracking was redacted.
> If the plane went down in flames near an oil rig, debris would have already been found by civilians.
It was seen from an oil rig, it was some miles away from it. Glad you have an encyclopedia knowledge of currents and where the oil rig is.
> If the plane went down near the Maldives, the Inmarsat satellite would have recorded different signal strength readings.
Actually, I don’t think it went down near the Maldives, or landed there either, but unlike you I’m not married to the INMARSAT gigo.
Did not Inmarsat base their conclusions on those other flights(altitude, speed) and not satellite data alone? By Inmarsat’s own calculations they ASSUMED equality of MH370 to the other flights and based their conclusions on those assumptions. Also from one of Inmarsat’s early info releases they stated the PROBABILITY of a southern route was quite high but not 100%. It was Inmarsat’s best educated guess were this flight came down.
I don't recall everything Inmarsat reported. I assume what Inmarsat concluded was based on what the Inmarsat satellite received from fl-370 and all other flights. FL-370 did not report altitude or speed but many others did.
By Inmarsat’s own calculations they ASSUMED equality of MH370 to the other flights and based their conclusions on those assumptions.
I guess the question here is why would Inmarsat technical people assume a different speed and altitude for FL-370?
Also from one of Inmarsat’s early info releases they stated the PROBABILITY of a southern route was quite high but not 100%. It was Inmarsat’s best educated guess were this flight came down.
If say their probability of a southern route was say 93 percent, from where does the other 7 percent come?
>3. The pilots said goodnight.<
Have we determined positively that it was the pilot’s voice? Could it have been a hacker?
I’ll bet it was challenging to unload those ships.
Gen McInerney keeps on saying that is his belief and he stands by it, even after all of this and INMARSAT saying it went south he still is sticking by his beliefs that it went North
Anything is possible-most of the passengers on that flight were Chinese, and those guys have been really vocal about being pissed.
Even if-as reported-the two first looked at with stolen were supposedly just trying to get to Europe illegally for a new life, how does that prove they weren’t hijackers?
I heard the FBI didn’t find anything untoward in the pilot’s deleted files, but with a fancy rig like that he was surely geek enough to know nothing is ever really deleted unless you take a chainsaw to the hard drive.
And what, if anything was there in his personal life that might have led him to hijack? He was separated from his wife, had a girlfriend/mistress, etc-that isn’t cheap in any country, even for a pilot. It is a mystery for sure-I just hope the plane is found soon so the relatives of those lost can mourn properly and have closure-solving the mystery can come as it will.
I thought it was already determined that it was the Co-pilot who said “Alright Goodnight” and the only reason he said that was because as he was signing off Air Traffic Control said to him good night
That’s why I asked. He didn’t give the standard reply which made me question could it have been a hacker?
A hacker I doubt..now if it hadnt been the normal kind of conversation, like if Control said something else to him and he said good night that would be odd, but since control actually said good night to him I guess it would be polite to say good night back to someone..I also thought it was strange that the co pilot did ALL the talking but I was told that was standard for one pilot to do the talking while the other handles the controls
Whatever the guy on the oil rig saw, it was not MH370. The distance from the oil rig to MH370's last transponder location was 365 miles.
Unless MH370 had flown towards the oil rig before blowing up, it would have been too far away to have been seen from the rig. But Malaysian military radar had it heading directly away from the rig, not towards it.
And, in any case, we know it still responded to Inmarsat's bird at 8:11 that morning, long after the oil rig report.
Inmarsat used the Doppler shift data to determine that it likely headed south because the Malaysian military would not give anyone their radar data on the plane.
Two days ago after the insistence of the Chinese the Malaysians finally let someone see their radar data on the plane which enabled them to refine their search area south to flight path 460 closer to kangarooland.
In otherwords Malaysian military radar data joined Professors Ping and Doppler in confirming that the plane went South.
It shuuure did.
I notice you didn't post a source here as this statement was old and taken out of context and regretted.
geographically and figuratively —
What’s the effective range of the Malaysian radar? For how long did they track? Could MH370 have initially headed south then veered north? Inmarsat had to use data from other ‘southern bound’ flights to arrive at their conclusions regarding MH370, why couldn’t they have used satellite data, Doppler data as sole sources? Comparing ‘normal’ flight data with an abnormal flight, one could very likely be lead to erroneous conclusions, no?
Here is Professor Doppler's analysis:
Explanation here. From the link:
In recent days Inmarsat developed a second innovative technique which considers the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite. Depending on this relative movement, the frequency received and transmitted will differ from its normal value, in much the same way that the sound of a passing car changes as it approaches and passes by. This is called the Doppler effect. The Inmarsat technique analyses the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and that actually measured. This difference is the result of the Doppler effect and is known as the Burst Frequency Offset.The Burst Frequency Offset changes depending on the location of the aircraft on an arc of possible positions, its direction of travel, and its speed. In order to establish confidence in its theory, Inmarsat checked its predictions using information obtained from six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions. There was good agreement.
While on the ground at Kuala Lumpur airport, and during the early stage of the flight, MH370 transmitted several messages. At this stage the location of the aircraft and the satellite were known, so it was possible to calculate system characteristics for the aircraft, satellite, and ground station.
During the flight the ground station logged the transmitted and received pulse frequencies at each handshake. Knowing the system characteristics and position of the satellite it was possible, considering aircraft performance, to determine where on each arc the calculated burst frequency offset fit best.
The analysis showed poor correlation with the Northern corridor, but good correlation with the Southern corridor, and depending on the ground speed of the aircraft it was then possible to estimate positions at 0011 UTC, at which the last complete handshake took place. I must emphasise that this is not the final position of the aircraft.
There is evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 0019 UTC. At this time this transmission is not understood and is subject to further ongoing work.
No response was received from the aircraft at 0115 UTC, when the ground earth station sent the next log on / log off message. This indicates that the aircraft was no longer logged on to the network.
Therefore, some time between 0011 UTC and 0115 UTC the aircraft was no longer able to communicate with the ground station. This is consistent with the maximum endurance of the aircraft.
Back to the hiding under a rock in pakistan?
Getting prepped to fly over D.C. at 45,000 while members of the f-ing religion of peace knock out our electric grid?
Is the FBI and or CIA in on this scam too?
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