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1 posted on 03/26/2014 9:05:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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I have mixed feelings about this.


2 posted on 03/26/2014 9:07:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Germany and Russia will do a deal, and they will do it soon.

The alternative is unthinkable.

3 posted on 03/26/2014 9:08:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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I remember the German draftees at Graf in 1969. I think they had a 1 year term of service. The one thing I remember was that they still wore the traditional “knoebelbecher” boots.


5 posted on 03/26/2014 9:11:14 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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"We need compulsory military service. There is no other way for Germany to guarantee national defense..." Huuhhh, what could go wrong?!?
6 posted on 03/26/2014 9:12:47 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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Years ago when I was in Europe for some military meetings, I had a German officer joke to me that they had to do a TDY to France every few decades.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 9:13:02 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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The German military IS soft, a total nonentity now.
Their military reflects their people.

The Germans like their food, their STUFF, food, peace, food, travel and freedom to travel, food, great cars/roads, food, beer, food.

Did I mention FOOD?

16 posted on 03/26/2014 9:28:16 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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All Quiet On the Eastern Front


21 posted on 03/26/2014 9:48:36 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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Richtig.


24 posted on 03/26/2014 9:50:56 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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I have been saying for years that the United States needs to do the same thing. I understand there is some downsizing in the military due to technologic and computerized advances.
However, there is still a need to have a ready force, able to execute multiple battles around the globe at once. This is the ideal. Since we may be ending or misadventure in Afghanistan soon, we can use that freed up funding to train more of our young people. Another reason is, let’s face it, we need to provide gainful employment to the same category of people. The country and culture would benefit from having more Americans go through the discipline of the military, even in it’s diluted form of today, with different rules for different sexes. I dont’ expect any of this to occur until the next President, unless Putin becomes a clear and present danger directly to us. If Putin starts ‘vacationing’ in Cuba, or forms some sort of property use deal with Haiti, we may begin develop a brand new attitude of urgency in the states.


28 posted on 03/26/2014 9:59:55 AM PDT by lee martell
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every male on turning 18, should be in the military for at least 2 years....then their testosterone levels would rise to normal levels...no internet porn, no computers in the barracks....


32 posted on 03/26/2014 10:50:21 AM PDT by B212
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A difficult issue. On the one hand there is a clear need for an EU military worthy of the name. The U.S. fulfilled that function for as long as we could afford it, actually quite a bit after, since we borrowed money for it. Even if we wanted to do that it is now beyond our means. Balanced against that is the deliberate formal rejection of militarism on the part of German popular culture, for which the victors of WWII are at least in part responsible, with the resulting lack of enthusiasm on the part of the Germans to join what still (and with justification) is considered tainted, dishonorable. That sentiment is prevalent in Japan, too.

It is not clear that conscription will address that issue, but conscription in the face of a foreign existential threat has always been a means of addressing it. And Putin is conveniently providing that foreign threat - whether it is a serious threat is irrelevant.

A third consideration is that military mobilization has a sad history of mushrooming out of control in Europe. We are at the centenary of such a disaster, where the nationalistic drives of a subject people threatened an ancient, creaking, multinational empire in the Austro-Hungarian, which took actions in terms of mobilization whose reflections in Russia, Germany, France, the Ottoman Empire, and eventually Great Britain, put the entire continent on a war footing. It would not be a good thing to repeat that bit of tragic history.

Nevertheless, aggression never met is aggression never ending. Conscription may lead to war or it may prevent it. It isn't the act itself, but how it is handled. And the European track record in that regard is not encouraging.

40 posted on 03/26/2014 6:46:07 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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