Always have been.
Posted on 03/25/2014 3:58:39 AM PDT by k4gypsyrose
Man kills sailor after diarming Perry Officer
NORFOLK, Va. — A civilian was shot and killed by security officers Monday night after disarming a petty officer standing watch on the destroyer Mahan and shooting a sailor who rushed to help.Navy officials said the man approached the Mahan's quarterdeck and was confronted by the ship's security personnel. During a struggle, he took a gun from the petty officer on watch and shot another sailor. Navy security forces then shot the man, who they said was not carrying his own weapon.
The incident occurred about 11:20 p.m. on Pier 1, according to Navy spokeswoman Terri Davis. No other injuries were reported.
The civilian was authorized to be on the base, but Davis could not provide additional details.
It's not clear whether he was authorized to be on Pier 1 or the Mahan. The Navy generally keeps check points at pier and ship entrances as well as at base gates.
The sailor who died was described only as a male. Navy officials expect to release his identity after his relatives have been contacted.
Admiral Bill Gortney, the head of Fleet Forces Command in Norfolk, opened an energy workshop on base this morning with a moment of silence "for our shipmate." He added: "We will find out what happened and we will prevent that from happening again."
The base was put on lockdown for about 45 minutes after the shooting as a precaution. Officers, chiefs and duty section personnel should report to the Mahan this morning, but non-duty section enlisted personnel were being told not to report, according to a release from Davis. Counselors were called in from the Fleet and Family Support Center.
So the guy appraoched thee watch, struggled with and disarmed the PO on watch, and then shot and killed a sailor rushing to his aid. I hope they quickly decipher why that guy tried to baord a US Navy vessel unarmed, disarmed the watch, and then killed by others on watch.
Curiouser and curiouser it gets.
TC
Always have been.
Prime target.
Out of 11 active carriers, only 3 are deployed at the present time.
LMAO
Couldn't watch it!
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Just ask the bar girls.
fwiw...some are now saying the sentry aboard the ship, from who the civilian perp wrestled the weapon used in the shooting of the sailor......was female..."to blame"?..who knows...just sayin...
Probably, I’ll never be subdued by a woman, she would have to cap me.
When I was in they had begun using Pier and Liberty Passes specific to your ship. You had your active duty military ID and a Liberty or Pier pass with your name and ships name on it you needed to get onboard ship. Pier Pass required a working or dress uniform it meant you were on duty like watch, taking off the trash or other task. In the yard you had a third required I.D. in the form of an ID pouch. A ship that small? Petty Officer of the Watch {Brow Watch} likely knew he didn't belong there.
Well, this guy had base access for sure, we know that now. But he was stopped while trying to get aboard the Mahan by the PO at the check station. He struggled with him, overcame him and took his gun, and then shot and killed a sailor running up to help the PO. Then other security onboard ship killed him there on deck too.
I do not believe he had any business on the Mahan, and was apparently not being allowed aboard.
I’d like to know what the real story is and will check with folks I know over in Norfolk to see what they say.
I'll bet you're right. There's something really odd at least to me, about wanting to spend six months at sea with about three thousand other guys. I mean maybe it's just me, but that thought kinda creeps me out. Heck in the army we got to go to town to mix with the gals (I was an infantryman) at times or back in the cantonment areas on exercises. Then there's that whole submarine thing... long and cylindrical and full of seamen? Tiny little bunks just the size of a coffin?
To be honest at sea you didn't have time for too much goings on. In my job a typical work day was about 18 to sometimes 20 hours at sea. 20 hours was usually every other day. My shop had about 12-15 guys in it. Of them usually all but one or two were like brothers. I still keep in contact with a few of them almost 35 years later. Several at the time were married had kids etc.
A ship at sea doesn't stay at sea six full months during deployment LOL. We hit port for a week or so at least once a month and that was in The Med Sea. Often enough when you hit port usually about 3-4 guys would go on liberty. Safety in numbers was one reason and the guys were like your family was the other. Some hit the bars, some hit the historical places, some hit the beaches etc. Of the 5000on ship only about a handful hitting the bars caused trouble and were dealt with accordingly. I've dealt with many a drunken sailor and did my own share of drinking.
On a typical six month deployment typically you would see at least two of such in a 4 year hitch tensions individually could run high about mid deployment. Lot's of variables including family break ups after you left, stress of the hours and repetitive days, or whatever reason. It even hit the lifers many times. You learned fast to understand to simply stay out of someone's face and off their nerves for a day or two. It passed it was just typical deployment stress.
The six month deployments IMO wasn't the roughest time at sea. GITMO pre-deployment work ups were where you underwent a month long ship wide training exercise including critical readiness evaluations and test individually, department wise, and ship wise. An hours sleep some nights was all you got. Six hours plus at Battle Stations meaning confided to work space unable to even drink water wasn't ideal especially down in The Hole.
Of my three years and nine months onboard I spent roughly two years actually underway at sea. My last year I didn't go to sea except three days because we went into drydock for overhaul. Working hours there were 12- 16 hour days thanks to pending deployment to the PG during the 1979-80 Iranian Crisis.
I was a sailor and later a soldier for a year stint in the guards as a 13-B Cannon Infantry weekend warrior. I hauled the ammo for the 155's. I'll take the Navy anytime :>}
I was in the Navy for 6 years. One man I knew, an ex-Navy linguist who had served in the Indian Ocean during the late 1970s, related how he had 3 of those 6-month deployments in a row. By the time he finally was able to leave the IO and go home to visit his wife in San Francisco, she was in the process of divorcing him.
He was a rarity in the Navy - he could read, write, and speak Farsi (Persian), three dialects of Arabic, German, Italian, Greek, French, and Spanish. He was honorably discharged in 1981 and never re-upped. It was his poor luck that the Shah of Iran was thrown out and the US Embassy seized by radicals during his enlistment.
Yea that would explain his three continuous deployments. The line to see the JAG on a carrier a week {first mail call} after leaving for the MED was often as long as the check cashing line. My Chief on one cruise had NIS investigate his wife back in the states. Seems she had moved two men into their home. One for her and one for their minor daughter. The men were sailors and NIS nailed them.
Back then you took the long way down and around to the PG. The Suez remained closed to carriers after the Six Day War wasn't opened back up for carriers until 1981. Best I recall the JFK drew the short straw and we headed on into Portsmouth for drydock and overhaul.
The Petty Officer was a female. The civilian disarmed her and then the other Navy Security Petty Officer came to help her and exchanged shots. The civilian and the male Petty Officer died.
Thanks for your update. The link below confirms what you posted. The Navy PO on watch was a female, and the killer took her gun away when she challenged him. Then, a Navy Security guy tried to help her, and he was killed in the brief gun battle in which Holder’s type of guy was killed.
http://hamptonroads.com/2014/03/navy-base-killer-given-security-access-despite-crimes
“A 35-year-old truck driver with a troubled past walked onto a U.S. warship Monday night, grabbed a guard’s gun and used it to kill a sailor who tried to intervene.
Jeffrey Tyrone Savage had taken a life once before.
Now investigators are trying to figure out how someone with a violent criminal record and no known business with the Navy gained easy access to the service’s largest base – home to half the nation’s fleet of aircraft carriers and dozens of other ships.”
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