Posted on 03/23/2014 1:06:32 PM PDT by txgirl4Bush
“LIGNET put out a report, substantiated yesterday, that there sources got their information from Boeing sources, which is covert. Not that they got their information from the Boeing Company because they’re involved in the investigation, that the airplane was in Pakistan. That was confirmed by LIGNET on Monday and I got another source at LIGNET that confirmed it yesterday… I do believe that those people in Pakistan, in the ISI, those people who knew where Osama Bin Laden was and didn’t tell us. I believe those same elements could be involved with getting that airplane into a Pakistan air force base.”
How to comment without commenting.
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The other alternative route that the flight, whose communication system is now believed to have been deliberately disabled, is to the Indian Ocean south of the Malacca Strait where the plane was last sighted on a Malaysian military radar. According to Pillai, this would have taken the aircraft south of the Andamans.
Speaking to TOI, air traffic controllers’ guild secretary Sugata Pramanik said that while flight MH370 could have avoided detection on the Secondary Surveillance Radar, the blip by the huge Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft would surely have been spotted by the Indian Air Force that uses primary surveillance radars to detect such intrusions.
“If an aircraft wants to avoid being seen, they can easily become invisible to civilian radar by switching off the transponder. But it cannot avoid defence systems. The IAF has radars in multiple installations across the country and it is inconceivable that none of them spotted the odd blip with no flight clearance,” he said. There are nine air defence identification zones in the country that are manned 24x7 to prevent an enemy aircraft from violating Indian airspace.
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According Guild member Sushil Mondal, all hell would break loose if the IAF detected an aircraft that did not have air defence clearance. Any plane flying through Indian airspace is first required to submit the flight plan and manifest to the air traffic controls in its flight path. This is then relayed to the air force for permission.
“There are times when the Air Force finds a blip that does not match a flight plan. That usually happens when flight plans going missing at their end due to a system or link failure. They then immediately contact us for information. If the plane flight plan isn’t of suspicious nature, a clearance is granted. Or else, it is asked to return to wherever it came from. In case, we too don’t have any information of the aircraft, there will be trouble and the Air Force scramble jets to take the plane down. Nothing of the kind happened last Saturday,” said Mondal.
Recently, the IAF scrambled a Su-30MKI in the western sector after noticing an unidentified ‘blip’ crossing over from Pakistan, It turned out to be a weather balloon.
Quite a collection *we’ve* all got there, but apparently it’s going to continue to grow each day, regardless.
Pure baloney — the General says that he has Boeing sources but he has none — NONE.
This Arc of the Last Ping is most definitely from Boeing sources and it puts the final position of the plane at 8:11, if it had flown the northern route, a long way from Pakistan.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3135643/posts?page=28#21
Don’t know what your angle is in this, but you are buying nonsense. The pings can more or less establish the temporal length of the flight, but are useless in finding any trace of route.
Positioning has been my business for over thirty years. I know the limits of time in establishing position.
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He is now.
Is it possible that the Regime has schemed to feed him false info in order to turn him into a comic book character?
If the Inmarsat northern locus is correct, MH370 would barely have been able to make it from Kazakhstan or wherever it was at the 8:11 ping south to Pakistan before time for the 9:11 ping, which was never received.
Just like A.T.C. and Norad could locate the planes on 911?
Are you saying that the Boeing people who gave us this Arc were mistaken???
You are misunderstanding the meaning of those arcs.
They represent an approximate maximum distance from the receiver, but absolutely nothing else.
In fact, if you draw the line from the receiver to the 8:11 position on the arc, it is strong evidence that the flight ended somewhere along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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I’m saying that you do not understand the limits of what that arc tells us.
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>>They represent an approximate maximum distance from the receiver, but absolutely nothing else.<<
No, you are misunderstanding the meaning of those arcs. They indicate that, at 8.11, the plane was located on the arcs somewhere, but that’s it. It has nothing to do with “maximum distance from the receiver” and everything to do with “approximate distance from the satellite.” In other words, it’s not a maximum distance, it’s a more or less exact distance from the satellite (or receiver as you call it). And it would be very difficult to land the plane in Pakistan before 9.11 from that distance, even assuming it were anywhere near the northern part of the upper arc at the time.
In fact, the searchers seem to have enough information to be concentrating on the southern arc in the Indian Ocean instead.
I don't know.
I understand it quite well, thank you.
The Malaysian Airlines understood it when it smacked them upside the head.
The Malaysian military understood it when it forced them to admit that they did catch the plane on radar which they previously denied.
The 14 nations that were looking for the plane in the Sea of China but are now looking off the Australian coast
understand it.
Are you sure that you and the General understand it???
>>n fact, if you draw the line from the receiver to the 8:11 position on the arc, it is strong evidence that the flight ended somewhere along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.<<
There is no apparent reason to draw a line from the satellite’s position toward Pakistan. There is, in fact, no 8:12 position on the arc. The entire southern and northern arcs describe the approximate location of the plane as being somewhere along those arcs. Nothing on the picture justifies assuming the plane is any closer to Pakistan than to the South Indian Ocean.
You simply do not even understand the problem.
No place on this thread to educate you.
The plane most certainly did not travel along either of those arcs.
I meant to say there is no single 8:11 position on the arc, not 8:12.
Time of operation is the only vector that you can obtain from the pings.
The arcs represent the capability of the receiver, not the course of the aircraft.
That statement tells me that you don't know diddly squat. The plane was not flying from the satellite.
Fine, but you don’t understand the calculation of the arc. It’s a single arc actually. I have no idea why the discontinuity in the center. According to the original description, the ping at each hour plus 11 minutes could be used to calculate how far the plane was from the satellite’s location.
The plane was located on the 8:11 arc at 8:11, but where on the arc, and what direction it was moving cannot be determined from the pinging of the satellite, just the distance.
Wrong -- the arcs represent the distance the plane was from the satellite at a certain point in time.
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