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To: elhombrelibre

I agree, but I don’t think pointing out when Putin actually has a case means we necessarily support him.

The fact is, with regards to Crimea, it doesn’t matter who the Russian leader is....there is no Russian leader who will allow an independent Ukraine with Crimea...they would be removed from power so fast, if they were to allow it.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Nonsense. This is a recent phenomenon as a result of Putin’s hand picked leader for Ukraine making the mistake of trying to integrate Ukraine with Europe. Putin vetoed that. The Ukrainians rebelled.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 12:35:34 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: dfwgator

If Putin heads toward Kiev Gov. it’ll be bloody violent IMO. ..and we both know why. Unless Putin uses special agents to clear them out.


42 posted on 03/21/2014 12:35:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

If Putin heads toward Kiev Gov. it’ll be bloody violent IMO. ..and we both know why. Unless Putin uses special agents to clear them out.


43 posted on 03/21/2014 12:35:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator
BTW you note news on missing ship has conveniently taken over news sources over Ukraine and Russia....this is a joint effort to have the hype in Ukraine and with Russia calm down and be forgotten by the general public. Big Boys are running the show!
47 posted on 03/21/2014 12:40:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

“....there is no Russian leader who will allow an independent Ukraine with Crimea...”

Quite correct, in their world view.

Russia has fought isolation for centuries, and Crimea is, and always has been, the outlet for that. Russia had no means to secure Crimea during the breakup, and even again in the 1992 treaty negotiations. Anarchy and a potentially hostile government in Kiev was just the circumstance required to force a move.

You can’t compare that to an America world view, because we have always had numerous ways to access the world.

For the Ukraine, it’s a huge slap in the face, saying that they failed to administer their own country properly. For the people of Crimea, it’s a chance at future far more prosperous than now. Lots of factors at work here.

And, through it all, an American Administration that is moved by ego, news cycles, and corrupt cronyism, that still can’t see how to handle this.

They would rather ignore it, but the powers that control them want their investments protected.


51 posted on 03/21/2014 12:42:27 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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