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Russia, Putin, Ukraine: Some Background

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by varmintman

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To: Girlene

What invasion?


61 posted on 03/18/2014 10:26:17 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Girlene

I’m not talking with ignoramuses
Have a good day.


62 posted on 03/18/2014 10:27:51 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: dfwgator

The only concerns the Poles have about Ukraine is that the Russians will be coming back to Poland. They joined NATO at the first opportunity to prevent what is happening in Ukraine. And Obama’s killing of the missile defense installations in Poland was viewed with dismay.


63 posted on 03/18/2014 10:28:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: virgil

And that weakness can lead to miscalculation on the part of our enemies.


64 posted on 03/18/2014 10:28:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: varmintman

Genius argument. how long did it take you to come up with that?

Why do you support an invasion of a sovereign nation?

Why are you so afraid to answer that?


65 posted on 03/18/2014 10:29:27 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: Mount Athos

You’re defending and supporting it.

Why?


66 posted on 03/18/2014 10:29:51 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: varmintman

Thank you for your concern. Crimea is part of Ukraine. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Russia invaded it. That’s as simple as it gets.

“90 percent” voted to rejoin Russia with a large presence of Russian troops on the ground.


67 posted on 03/18/2014 10:29:53 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: kabar

Poland cannot make any assumptions on getting outside help.

I am glad to see the Tusk Government has fast-tracked increasing their Fracking capabilities. And frankly a military buildup would also be a good idea.


68 posted on 03/18/2014 10:30:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Girlene

80000 troops show up and voila...90%

in other news, North Korea just voted 100%.

Tyrants are such popular leaders!


69 posted on 03/18/2014 10:31:14 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: Marguerite

A dout of wildcats to ya ma’am


70 posted on 03/18/2014 10:32:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: sockmonkey
Pussy Riot is just an example of the way dissent and free speech are treated in Russia. Read the latest State Department Human Rights report on Russia I posted earlier.

Putin is curtailing civil liberties in Russia.

71 posted on 03/18/2014 10:33:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: varmintman
I mean, if I've missed anything or left anything important out here or gotten anything wrong, somebody let me know, but this is the picture I'm seeing. I don't see anything not to like with Putin or the vision of the current Russian government.

Yes, you left out the Bolshevik conquest of Ukraine in 1919, the killings and deportations to Siberia, and the subsequent Soviet genocide of 1932-33 killing 10 million Ukrainians.

You also left out the Ukrainians desire for independence in 1990 and the declaration of an independent state in 1991 with majority of the people voting to approve it, even in Crimea.

You seem to imply that Ukrainian desire for closer ties to the EU and to get out from under the thumb of Russia is some sort of globalist/Soros conspiracy. It is the desire of a people who for much of their history have been the battleground for other powers to have a better future for themselves. You are kidding yourself if you think Putin and the new Russian empire are going to be content with Crimea.

72 posted on 03/18/2014 10:33:58 PM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: KOZ.; Girlene

You don’t think the Crimea speaking mainly Russian and the fools who just took over Kiev trying to ban the Russian language might have something to do with it? Or seeing what Soros and the IMF have done to Italy and Portugal??


73 posted on 03/18/2014 10:34:34 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Putin and his regime are still illegal killers, of journalists, defectors, critics, and possibly some clergymen.

You can take a person out of the Communist Party, but you can’t take the Party out of the person.

Communism was the ultimate form of state power and that’s what Putin is all about.

About 20 years ago, I knew a few lawyers who were going to the new Russia to help them write a new Constitution. That didn’t work very well, did it?

The KGB did what a Leopard couldn’t do, change its spots to FSB.

While I don’t like the Chechnians because the are extremely cruel and kill children by the hundreds, the Russians were ruthless in suppression the revolt there. I don’t think anyone won that war except the dead who got out of it the hard way.

Putin is a man of detiny in his own mind, a lot like Hitler was, Mussolini was, and Mao and Ho were. Look at the cost of their megalomania to mankind.

He has got to be reigned in if only to stop his delusional concept of being invincible(a concept that Obama also shares in but as a Second Tier Communist).

Some backbone by the Western nations when all this hit the fan months ago would have prevented what has happened and what is going to happen.

The same for Obama’s deliberately missed chances to bring down the Mullahs regime in Iran during the 2009 protests there, and the more recent protests in Syria where it might have been possible to have a moderate regime instead of the revolt becoming a training ground of Al Qaeda International and the Hezbollah boys of summer.

While Obama is “fundamentally changing America for the worst”, Putin is fundamentally changing Russia for a much stronger and important role in guiding almost all of Eastern Europe, the Baltic States (and by proximity, Scandanavia), and even doing some fancy footwork re Turkey, Iran, and anyone else in “Mr. Putin’s Neighborhood”.

Who’s going to stop him? Obama? Biden? Pelosi? Debbie Wasserman Putz? Susan Rice? Samantha Powers? Jay the asshole Carney? Gen. I’m So Pretty Dempsey, the pansy of the Marines? How about Secy of the Navy Mabus, who is more concerned about putting women and transgendered people onboard ships rather than having enough fighting ships and crews to protect us and to project us.

Who you gonna call, “Ghostbusters”? Sorry, they went out of business when Reagan retired.


74 posted on 03/18/2014 10:35:14 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Revolting cat!

yep..sounds like a communist sympathizer..sad.


75 posted on 03/18/2014 10:37:19 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: varmintman

HOLY SMOKES!!! It’s that hard for you isn’t it?

I’m directly calling you out, you and your putin bootlicking bullshit.

WHY DO YOU DEFEND A TYRANT, SOMEONE WHO INVADED A SOVEREIGN NATION??


76 posted on 03/18/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: dfwgator
Poland is a member of NATO. An attack against one member is an attack against all.

Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security

Article 5 was invoked the first and only time after the US was attacked on 9/11. It is the reason why NATO headed our forces in Afghanistan.

77 posted on 03/18/2014 10:37:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Poland is a member of NATO. An attack against one member is an attack against all.

Yeah, well, how did that alliance with England and France work out in 1939?

78 posted on 03/18/2014 10:40:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
In a society that does not actively denigrate homosexuality, homosexuals must advance. When a homosexual is allowed to get into a position where he/she influences hiring and firing in any institution he/she will hire, so much as supply permits, homosexuals exclusively. It kicked the Catholic Church in the gut in the last century and the Church is still recovering. The modernist "compassionate" tendencies in the Church decided that homosexuals priests were okay so long as they remained celibate. Well, you know what happened when they managed to get into the appropriate positions in the seminaries. It happened to many Protestant sects, also, but they are much smaller groups and it was not so much noticed, and not so useful for deconstructing society.
It is happening now in the millitary.
79 posted on 03/18/2014 10:42:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: dfwgator

Poland meanwhile, imports about 70% of its gas from Russia, as well as Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It’s been like that since the existence of Warsaw block, and it hasn’t changed in 25 years, only increased.

As for the Baltics republics Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, they depend at 100% on Russia’s oil and gas exports, and Germany at 40%. Any economic war with Russsia would bankrupt those countries.


80 posted on 03/18/2014 10:44:00 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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