Posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by varmintman
Killed in action: 6,115,000
Wounded : 14,012,000
USA military casualties in WWII:
Killed in action: 291,557
Wounded : 670,846
“And the Russians would also be bankrupt as their economy would be devastated without the sale of oil and gas to Europe. They don’t have the infrastructure in the short term to sell the same volume to China or Japan.”
Your post was irrelevant to this factual statement.
Yeah.....and we lost over 625K during the civil war with only a population of 31 million.....
Statistics......so what is your point...Russians are worse in combat, or better at it....
Or is it that a lot of Russians died for their country when the objective of war is to make the guy on the other side die for his.
(Russia has bailed our hiney’s out of some really awful kind of ****?)
“Yes. WWII would have been a lot harder to win without the Russians.”
LMAO. So, the Russians made a pact with Hitler to conquer and divide up Poland...but the Russians saved our Hiney’s?
The historical illiteracy is amazing. The Russians were only on our side out of dumbstruck luck and they were willing partners with Hitler.
No, not directly.
When Hitler attacked the USSR it turned into one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" things.
Having the Russians, along with their "global cooling", killing a lot of Germans was a help.
We probably would have won without them, but it would have taken a lot longer.
Your “factual statement” is fictional.
The FACT is that Europe NOW needs the Russian oil and gas, which amounts to 50% of its energy, and won’t commit an economical hara-kiri, just to please the US.
If America can replace à pied levé Russia’s exports in Europe, go for it!
The numbers are the numbers, but many US merchant mariners died in the North Atlantic, getting aircraft and tanks to the Russians.
However, my point is that the Soviets/Russians can hardly take credit for their great sacrifice, when their initial support for Hitler and actually dividing up the war spoils by treaty, mitigate their contribution.
But the reality is that Russia has used the supply pipelines of natural gas...(methane to the science crowd) as a political tool in Eastern Europe, so why not do it elsewhere?
I think it's hilarious that Germany was only recently somewhat independent regarding power production with nuclear plants and now are jettisoning the nukes in favor of Nat gas...being so green....Now the Lady has dug herself a deeper hole. She has to depend on Russia which explains her political stance today. So tell me, why are they worried? Should they not be worried? After all, it's just business right...? What's a little bit of political kowtowing between good friends..
“The FACT is that Europe NOW needs the Russian oil and gas, which amounts to 50% of its energy, and won’t commit an economical hara-kiri, just to please the US.”
Yes, it is true that the Russians are the great dispenser of oil and gas to Europe. That is fundamental.
But the previous poster addressed a critical point which you have avoided with a strawman argument.
The Russian threat to cut off this oil to Europe is a threat with a knife to the throat of the Russian economy. In effect, it is no threat at all. Russia is a failed state and economy without its oil/gas exports.
The problem with that though, is that a aggressor State will convince it's self that they can do a quicky....minimize the downtime with a quick and decisive victory.
Hitler tried it with Russia....and if anyone could tell me what Putin would do with a refreshed military and half a reason, I might take the odds and the over/under..
Russia has a national debt of 8% of GDP
and $700 billion tresury reserve, so in short run, they can do whatever they please.
They can very well turn off the gas taps for a couple of weeks, until Europs cries “Uncle”. It’s already happened in 2006 and 2009.
Russia is a couple of paychecks away from domestic anarchy.
I hope they do. But they won’t.
A very nice take on the situation. As an aside the Ukrainian language is more closely related to the Czech language.
You are correct that Putin wants all of Ukraine. Agriculture iron ore coal and a very strong industrial base come with it
Bravo Jeremiah! They also damaged the interior of at least one church.
As I noted, the Ukrainian poeple don’t really have anywhere else to go, PARTICULARLY when the only other option involves dealing with George Soros, the Rothschilds, and the IMF.
Probably the president will not use his Executive Order to seize the assets of Americans who disagree with his Ukraine policy. But he says he can.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/14/against-ukraine-war-obama-may-seize-your-assets.aspx
OK; well, I’ll hazard a guess it’ll come out about like it did for the Greeks.
One question none of you have addressed: GIVEN that the clowns who seized control of Kiev were also responsible for a false-flag op which involved snipers killing not only Ukrainian cops but dozens of ordinary Ukrainians including protesters, i.e. that they were willing to kill many of their own people in order to achieve some political end... Why is our government (and for that matter, why are YOU) supporting a bunch of barbarians of such a sort??
I mean, this is several steps beyond ordinary garden-variety villainy here, this is seriously messed up.
Worse, why has our state department apparently made a habit of supporting people who engage in such activities? The thing about sarin gas in Syria was entirely similar. Bork Obunga wanted to go to war with Syria on the spot and was stopped by congress and the American people. Apparently he was told he'd be immediately impeached and removed if he tried it.
But post-Communist Russians don’t shoot down people in cold blood.
Its a lot better than the situation in East Germany, Poland and Hungary would have been.
If Russia was still ruled by the Communists, the situation in Ukraine would have been a bloodbath.
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